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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Impossible »

0xdeadbeefbabe wrote: post #299
AriaMinaei wrote: post #292

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I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative. Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways. Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recover…

pink plane? I agree it's unimaginative, so I'm imagining programming in VR in picture-forth.

Is picture-forth an actual thing? Sounds interesting.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by larrykwg »

simonhughes22 wrote: post #421
chisleu wrote: post #242

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The big problem there is resolution and the "Screen door" effect. Text has to be fairly large in order to be readable. We will need an enormous resolution and incredibly low dot pitch to solve those issues and make productivity tools possible. This is the tech space where I dream of working. I have been designing features for developer teams in AR but without the hardware being available, it's all theory.

That's a solvable problem though - it's more a matter of cost and the pixel density will go up and the cost down over time. I don't see this a long term limitation of this tech. Have you seen the Pimax 8k VR headset for instance? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimax8kvr/pimax-the-wor...

In reality pimax delivers 1440p per eye. Someone needs to calculate this, but I think even that would be orders of magnitude away from a few 2K+ displays projected in your FOV. I think technology is really far away from that for any price. Don't trust the hype.

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

danso wrote: post #367
koolba wrote: post #315

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> It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. I doubt that. If you make a VR/AR/?R version of a Bloomberg terminal or Factset then finance firms will literally rol…

I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

the regulatory compliance of Bloomberg lies in its chat function. seriously, type "sold for 10million" in there and it's a deal, reported to the SEC and sucked into end of day reporting

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by PeterisP »

phyller wrote: post #267
ekianjo wrote: post #265

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> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming Because gamers are a community well know to spend several hundreds of dollars easily for any kind of upgrade to their existing hardware. At least the core PC gamers, and that's quite a large segment nowadays.

Myself and millions of others would spend thousands for this, and thousands more for upgrades. When you consider this is the tool that you use to make your salary, anything that makes me more productive with a better quality of life starts to be worth more than the price of a new car.

Any current workplace that doesn't currently spend $1000 per employee on good, large screens has already voted with their wallet (the most honest way of expressing a true opinion) that they definitely won't consider anything like this to be worth it.

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Post by alanbernstein »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

You might be interested in https://www.tapwithus.com/, although the typing speed seems to be a bit low.

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Post by jdmichal »

spiralganglion wrote: post #357
jdmichal wrote: post #312

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I wonder if Dynamicland is looking into VR at all? That would be a really interesting mix! https://dynamicland.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15962730

They are explicitly not. They want to abolish the screen. They want real, touchable objects to be imbued with dynamism. From their FAQ: "Is Dynamicland augmented reality (AR)? It depends what you mean by augmented reality. Dynamicland is primarily about working with actual physical objects that everyone can see and touch. Glasses and phone-based AR is usually about 'holograms' floating in space that only the person w…

AR is not VR. I think that VR will certainly enable all these behaviors, eventually. Except in a virtual space, instead of meat space. The behaviors and ideas Dynamicland are advocating should work just as well in both.

And while their points ring true for the current iterations of AR-as-personal-assistant, I don't see why a networked AR where everyone shares the same annotations would work any differently. Isn't that what their projectors are doing, after all?

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Post by jhiska »

ehsankia wrote: post #392
jhiska wrote: post #342

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You're right. It's yet another teaser. Not holding my breath.

I keep telling myself that I won't take them seriously as long as there's no public demo, but big serious company who have seen behind closed doors demos keep giving huge chunks of money... They've gotten $2B in funding... with so many companies out there trying to do what Magic Leap is doing, I don't see any reason why VCs would give them so much money over the others. The only plausible explanation is that their se…

I'll withhold my judgement until they ship it.

Early reports (RoadToVR) say that the FOV is rather bad ("about the size of a VHS tape held at medium distance"). I'll wait.

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Post by trhway »

CodeCube wrote: post #460
danso wrote: post #367

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I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

> uptight social culture of finance looooool ... You mean like the men having competitions to see who can hit the urinal from furthest away? or barefoot wrestling on the trading floor? Those are both reputable stories I've had relayed to me about people I've worked with. More like a frat than an uptight environment ;)

Frat environment in its core is among the most conservative ones.

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Post by bastawhiz »

tigershark wrote: post #420
bastawhiz wrote: post #254

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The article, remarkably, has scant few details on the author's experience with the product. This quote sums up my skepticism: >instead they were constructed to give visitors who pass through the facility under non-disclosure agreement, a chance to see the magic in action. It's a controlled environment with purpose-built demos for folks under NDA. There's no videos, renderings from actual hardware, or substantive crit…

This is the reason why I hate conspiracy theorist. You can't argue with them because they think to know everything despite the evidence of the contrary.

I'm not asserting that I know anything to be true. I'm pointing out that until Magic Leap shows actual reasonable proof that their product works outside of a lab, I have no reason to believe that it works. I sincerely hope it does, because this is cool as heck. But for a company to be rapidly approaching their target ship date and have released nothing of substance showing the damn thing working, that's incredibly suspicious.

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Post by kbob »

wmeredith wrote: post #295
AriaMinaei wrote: post #292

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I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative. Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways. Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recover…

What is a paper based terminal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletype_Model_33
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