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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids »

CodeCube wrote: post #460
danso wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

> uptight social culture of finance looooool ... You mean like the men having competitions to see who can hit the urinal from furthest away? or barefoot wrestling on the trading floor? Those are both reputable stories I've had relayed to me about people I've worked with. More like a frat than an uptight environment ;)

Don't forget midget darts.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by WalterSear »

lvoudour wrote: post #68

Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

It's vaporware, plain and simple.

Considering the scope what they are developing (silicon that requires new fab technology), secrecy isn't the priority it would be if the problem was one that others could steal a march on by throwing money and bodies at it.

If they do ship, I predict that the product might very well meet all their technical claims, but will be a miss on their claims for utility and usability.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by alasdair_ »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

>I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity.

Probably for the same reasons that Tesla built expensive sports cars first, before focusing on delivering a (comparatively) more boring commuter sedan.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by platz »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

3D is most obvious when it'd used to visualize physical objects or environments.

Abstract information spaces are hard; being non-physical and having many more dimensions.

The added interface complexity usually doesn't justify the gain, from only throwing away 23 dimensions, instead of 24.

There might be useful ways to represent clusters of information related to a non-physical task effectively; there hasn't been a clearly successful one yet.

and no, if you are trying to jam a bunch of 2D screens in a 3D environment, you are not "representing physical objects or environments" as identified as the core strength above.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by kthejoker2 »

danso wrote: post #367
koolba wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. I doubt that. If you make a VR/AR/?R version of a Bloomberg terminal or Factset then finance firms will literally rol…

I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

lol @ uptight social culture of finance. Most trading desks are just ex-frat boys with quant skills or a connected uncle. They're all in on tech gadgets; they all have the latest smartphone / wearables / TV / smart home.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by ElijahLynn »

al2o3cr wrote: post #224
joshstrange wrote: post #140

The first headset to give me virtual monitors that I can use day-to-day in lieu of my physical monitors will have my money in a heartbeat. I'd love to be able to carry a headset to/from work and have essentially the same multi-display experience at home/coffee shop/work/etc. I don't care if it's VR/AR.

This comes up a lot in VR/AR discussions, but IMO it's the least likely application in the near to medium term. There's just not enough pixels in the headset to accurately simulate multiple high-resolution monitors. For instance, the Hololens is rumored to have 1280x720 resolution per-eye - so a screen that consumes the entire visual field is only 720p, and "simulated displays" that were farther away would be worse.

Does their digital lightfield have pixels? I was under the impression there would be no pixels in that sense.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by downandout »

tigershark wrote: post #431
downandout wrote: post #157

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This is what I was thinking. That conversation probably went something like this: “We need more money.” “We gave you $2 billion. You’re going to have to ship something before we give you more.” “Hmmm...we aren’t ready to ship and may not be for some time...what if instead of shipping, we can show you that 50K people are interested in buying it? Will you give us some more money then?” “Sure, you show us that 50k peopl…

And the Rolling Stones journalist is lying of course... Guys, you are really shocking in trying to throw mud over magic leap in any way possible.

Have you seen the page? It’s literally nothing more than an email opt-in with some clearly photoshopped images of a device that doesn’t exist yet, even in mock-up form (otherwise they would have used the mock-up in the photos).

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by MetallicCloud »

gruturo wrote: post #414
shimon wrote: post #362

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You might be able to collect a few wads of cash from finance firms who want a cooler-looking Bloomberg terminal, but I doubt this strategy could actually displace Bloomberg unless there's a technological edge that (1) delivers real, ongoing value and (2) can't be matched by Bloomberg within 1-2 years. Problem #1 is what you mentioned with VR/AR $APP Killers - they mostly suck. They create value via novelty, which wea…

You're not going to displace Bloomberg - the amount, quality and timeliness of the information they provide is on a completely different level (and a completely different business). You're going to get wads of cash from people eager to consume their Bloomberg data in a better way.

I can assure you, the majority of people who regularly use the Bloomberg terminal are not eager for any change whatsoever to how they consume the data.

Any change, no matter how much it improves the workflow or UI is met with bitter resistance, because the users do everything from muscle memory, and small changes break that and slow them down.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by kthejoker2 »

CodeCube wrote: post #460
danso wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

> uptight social culture of finance looooool ... You mean like the men having competitions to see who can hit the urinal from furthest away? or barefoot wrestling on the trading floor? Those are both reputable stories I've had relayed to me about people I've worked with. More like a frat than an uptight environment ;)

Things I've seen on the trading floor:

* Impromptu breath holding contests complete with prop bets and name chanting

* Chairs shoved, phones slammed, mice thrown, (full) drinks thrown, (Other people's) paper piles toppled, soooo much profanity.

* One time a trader yelled FKING FK very loudly as our EVP of Trading was giving a tour of the office to a business journalist. To which the EVP turned to the journalist and very calmly said, "With us, you always know where you stand."

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