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The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by Terr_ »

dustingetz wrote: post #139
folksinger wrote: post #124

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Those tradeoffs are as chilling as a nationalized postal service. The "chilling consequences" that you are imagining are as speculative as any other work of science-fiction that you've read online. Ask yourself: where did you get the idea that creating new public institutions would have "chilling consequences"? Did you personally experience this in reality or did you read about it somewhere? What are the chilling exp…

"when the State becomes a computer" I think reading that sentence is enough to be bone-chillingly horrified, and nationalizing the necessary data is the first step towards making it inevitable

Becomes? Many modern states were designed to be that way from the start. The Constitutions are their core operating-systems, running on a substrate of human decision-making.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by marinman »

bluthru wrote: post #185
supernovae wrote: post #130

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Without context what you are saying is meaningless. Sure, "liberals" seem closed minded in not accepting racism, bigotry or hate speech but in accepting people for who they are, it's hard to say their opinions are stereotypical at all... I mean the democrats/liberals/progressives agree to disagree more often than not.

>Without context what you are saying is meaningless. For example, it's beyond the pale to have a conversation about how demographics matter and that social science tells us that diversity is probably a net loss: http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/... It reminds me of people who outright deny climate change.

> that social science tells us that diversity is probably a net loss:

The author of that study doesn't come to that conclusion: https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/robert-putnam-say...

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by euyyn »

wdn wrote: post #206
euyyn wrote: post #25

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Microsoft got in trouble for a good deal of illegal things they did to protect the Windows monopoly from Java :) Integrating IE into the OS was fine in itself, but part of the bigger strategy for which they were sentenced.

Microsoft biggest crime was they didn’t spend any money lobbying. Apple doing the same thing Microsoft did and worst, you cannot even change the default, yet no anti-trust on Apple. Different is Apple one of the biggest spender on lobbying.

You should really read about the MS case, to understand in how many levels Apple isn't "doing the same thing".

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Post by kombucha2 »

narrator wrote: post #107
kombucha2 wrote: post #68

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GAB.ai is sooo lame.

Considering that it was done on a shoestring budget, it isn't that bad.

Not the site itself but that front page content...blaming ANTIFA for the Amtrak Derailment...claiming UN Peacekeepers are to occupy Chicago etc..

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by bluthru »

marinman wrote: post #222
bluthru wrote: post #185

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>Without context what you are saying is meaningless. For example, it's beyond the pale to have a conversation about how demographics matter and that social science tells us that diversity is probably a net loss: http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/... It reminds me of people who outright deny climate change.

> that social science tells us that diversity is probably a net loss: The author of that study doesn't come to that conclusion: https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/robert-putnam-say...

Thanks for the link.

>his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”

The benefit of diversity is diversity?

It seems like the disadvantages of diversity are observed and tangible, while the potential upsides of diversity aren't defined or proven.

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Post by meowface »

nrhk wrote: post #194
meowface wrote: post #164

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>Contrary to what some reactionary conservatives seem to think, they are not generally oppressive places with no tolerance for conservative thought. It varies from university to university. Most universities don't experience anything like the authoritarian-left chaos at Evergreen [1], but you can find student organizations at universities all over America who hold these far-left beliefs. We had no scandals like this…

Saying we've overcorrected on racism is like saying we've overcorrected on feminism. If 2017 has shown us anything, its that there are a lot of skeletons hidden in many closets. There's extremist in both groups that fight for overcorrection but lets not confuse that with an actual overcorrection of any kind.

There is no "we", just individuals and groups. Some individuals and groups do hold positions which have overcorrected for racism and, yes, even sexism. A big problem that is still in need of much correcting can still be overcorrected for.

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Post by rwnspace »

acover wrote: post #220
briandear wrote: post #205

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Consumers already can do that — they can refuse to use FB products — but they don’t. So a consumer group is pretty useless without enough consumers to actually exert their power.

Boycotts aren't the only option. Consumers have boycotted products in the past. Consumer pressure has worked against Facebook in the past. I agree that it is an unlikely and difficult solution. I don't see an easy one.

I am boycotting Facebook, but I only interact with 5% of my 'friends list' on a regular basis, so it's hard to get the message out, y'know?

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Post by InternetUser »

nickik wrote: post #70
freeflight wrote: post #39

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> Maybe the people who complain about these things are just bad at discovering other apps and platforms. Or maybe some people just want to keep their life as simple as possible, attention economy and all? With my mid-30's I don't consider myself "that old", but just the idea of having to manage through a dozen different messenger apps is driving me super anxious just in the same way I like to have all my email accoun…

Nobody is requiring you to use 12 apps. The point is that there are 12 (and actually many more) apps that people could choice if they were in any way unhappy with their current choice. Even search, where google has the clearest leads other offers exists. You can not expect your definition of monopoly to be 'any costumer must be able to immediately switch service without any transaction cost on any of the many, many a…

> Even search, where google has the clearest leads other offers exist

What are 3 or 4 alternatives?

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