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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by simonhughes22 »

chisleu wrote: post #242
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

The big problem there is resolution and the "Screen door" effect. Text has to be fairly large in order to be readable. We will need an enormous resolution and incredibly low dot pitch to solve those issues and make productivity tools possible. This is the tech space where I dream of working. I have been designing features for developer teams in AR but without the hardware being available, it's all theory.

That's a solvable problem though - it's more a matter of cost and the pixel density will go up and the cost down over time. I don't see this a long term limitation of this tech. Have you seen the Pimax 8k VR headset for instance? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimax8kvr/pimax-the-wor...

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by cwkoss »

buro9 wrote: post #164
659087 wrote: post #155

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After going out to see a movie for the first time in a few years this past weekend, I can't really picture many of the overweight families I saw fully reclined shoveling hamburgers into their faces wanting to get up and "interact" with a movie.

But could you picture a set in the round with all of the audience sitting in a circle in a tiered auditorium, and a set being rendered over the audience and actors performing in the middle? Shakespeare in the round would be given a fully immersive experience, and it didn't require any person to move at all... it simply means that from the perspective of each individual the set is fully complete and hides the audience…

Dragonball-Z style collision and movement effects would be fun to watch applied to a sports game.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Ajedi32 »

anotheryou wrote: post #382
patientplatypus wrote: post #375

So...how's this different than the Microsoft HoloLens? Seems to be a huge let down considering the hype machine. Also, the form factor makes me want to vomit. Look there are 2 possible market segments you could go for that might buy this thing - the staid corporate type that is potentially looking for a toy that they can convince their SO is actually for work. In that case it should look like a pair of chunky raybans…

A true light field projection would be nice. If you look at the background in a 3D movie it's blurry, with a light field it would come in to focus. This is probably also what makes the projection bulky and why there are optical fibers running up (if it was anything else you could have used a single one). If this delivers what it promises, I wouldn't even mind wearing a light backpack for it. And they are probably at…

> And they are probably at this stage

No, that's where they were [almost three years ago][1]. They [now][2] refer to that early prototype as "The Cheesehead".

[1]: https://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/magic-leap-mixed-reali...

[2]: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Fricken »

swalsh wrote: post #165
drcode wrote: post #67

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The thing will need some serious tech in it, there's really no way to make it not look ugly. I think aesthetics are somewhat overrated: If a device is useful, people (including the "cool kids") will use it regardless.

You're just wrong. Aesthetics are crazy important on consumer devices. I'd argue it is THE most important aspect on something you WEAR. People put an awful lot of thought into their clothes, and accessories. Some people don't care, but they're rare. If aesthetics didn't matter there wouldn't be 100 different clothing stores in the mall. When we choose what to wear, we're annoucing to the world who we are. When you we…

Yeah this is why the SCUBA diving industry failed. Sure, everybody wants to breathe underwater, but if you have to look like a dork while doing it, then it isn't marketable.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by simonhughes22 »

DastardlyLakitu wrote: post #284
chisleu wrote: post #242

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The big problem there is resolution and the "Screen door" effect. Text has to be fairly large in order to be readable. We will need an enormous resolution and incredibly low dot pitch to solve those issues and make productivity tools possible. This is the tech space where I dream of working. I have been designing features for developer teams in AR but without the hardware being available, it's all theory.

Yup! I cringed when I read the above comment and imagined working in Excel on current AR displays. Resolution is still an issue, as you've stated, and there are still heaps of issues in the realm of focal depths/focal rivalry when it comes to AR. Current displays have a set focal depth and people don't realize how much that can affect things.

So I haven't tried the tech, but one of the main advantages of the 'light field' tech they've been developing is supposedly solving this focal length issue - i.e. near things appear at a different focal point than objects farther away. Can't say how well it works in practice though.

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Post by tigershark »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #368
bastawhiz wrote: post #254

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The article, remarkably, has scant few details on the author's experience with the product. This quote sums up my skepticism: >instead they were constructed to give visitors who pass through the facility under non-disclosure agreement, a chance to see the magic in action. It's a controlled environment with purpose-built demos for folks under NDA. There's no videos, renderings from actual hardware, or substantive crit…

> It's a controlled environment with purpose-built demos for folks under NDA Magic Leap pulled a similar stunt with The Information around the same time last year [1]. Seems like they found a more pliant journalist in The Rolling Stone . "In March of last year, it released a video online titled “Just Another Day in the Office at Magic Leap.” Shot from the perspective of one of its employees working at his desk, all a…

So are you explicitly saying that the Rolling Stones journalist is lying? And the only supposed "proof" you bring is an article over an year old written when the miniaturised prototype didn't even exist?

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

jonas21 wrote: post #396
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #290

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"Rendering black" is an unsolved problem technically. There are a few approaches. One is selectively blocking incoming light at the lens, however due to the nature of light because the distance between the lens and the eye that would allow for the right per pixel degree specificity is relatively large, you would get bleeding from the other incident light and the "black" would look at best fuzzy. The other way to do i…

On the other hand, for many applications where people say they want to "render black," darkening the entire field of view and rendering on top of that is sufficient and not particularly hard to do.

Well that's a completely different display system in that case. That would be more like pass-through rather than see-through. Currently the latency on pass-through is not anywhere close to ready from a processing standpoint.

That said, I am actually bullish on a really good pass-through system, nobody is working on it seriously though.

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Post by tigershark »

mbesto wrote: post #237
mustacheemperor wrote: post #169

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I share the concern that there's still nothing too publically accessible, but the device itself isn't completely under wraps. The journalist in the Rolling Stone article[0] viewed a few demos built between the ML team, including one with Sigur Ros that's got a very small clip on youtube[1]. I suspect building a demo of this kind of tech that's remotely as impressive viewed on a website or youtube video is challenging…

> he journalist in the Rolling Stone article It's called PR. Interesting that this came out in Rolling Stone and not another tech site. I obviously couldn't say for sure, but I don't see why it isn't implausible to think that they found a publication that was happy to roll over a few details in exchange for an exclusive dig. > “We went on this really crazy sprint from basically October 2014 to December 2017,” This is…

They got almost 2B$ of investment, I can't see why having 3 years of crazy sprint would be a problem.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by jMyles »

mrighele wrote: post #394
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. Is it ? If we talk abour VR, yes, but there are a number of companies actually delivering AR products whose focus is on productivity. Some examples (but there are more) are Microsoft with Hololens [1] Epson with Moverio devices [2] Sony [3] Vuzix [4] Their oldest model are simple smart glasses, it seems to me that they are mo…

Interesting - of these, I had only heard of the Hololens. Do you have a take on which, if any of these, are ready or nearly ready for regular use?
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