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This is the second event involving BCH which is looking very "artificial" for the lack of a better word. About a month ago, BCH started an abrupt up-climb while the prices on BTC started to fall dramatically. BTC recovered soon after by hitting all-time highs while BCH prices fell pretty hard. Now we get these talks of insider trading at Coinbase. I don't have much stake in cryptocurrencies and I actually did not min…

There's also a good criticism of BCH here: https://medium.com/@homakov/weekly-sync-friction-the-most-im... Basically it will be too much bandwidth for most users to bother running their own core, meaning increased centralization for BCH and easy way to kill it in the future through some government action or bug.

The thesis of the article is that if bandwidth requirements are too high, then people will stop running full node wallets on their laptops, thus reducing the number of full nodes in the network.

In reality, you would have to be insane to store bitcoins with a C++ program permanently connected to and broadcasting your IP address to a p2p network.

Now, it may be that many bitcoin nodes are run by insane people who do exactly that, but if the foundation of Bitcoin's security is that its users have no understanding of computer security, then the whole thing is doomed to failure anyway.

Re: Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed

#113
post #18

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If you take the time to learn what's trustworthy, principled, and safe...you won't have any of these issues. Except (2), but that's being worked out right now. Furthermore, it's way too early to compare crypto to established finance. Just because crypto awareness has gone mainstream, doesn't mean it's ready to compete just yet. It's still technology for early-adopters. Those who don't understand that will get screwed…

> If you take the time to learn what's trustworthy, principled, and safe...you won't have any of these issues. I'm glad my knowledge of Bitcoin will prevent the price from fluctuating.

I was addressing the 4 issues raised by the parent, none of which were price fluctuation.

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#114
post #96

Here's the stickiest thing about this entire thing to me: the name. Roger Ver (one of the people behind bcash) has said repeatedly that he believes that his fork deserves the name "Bitcoin" and that it is the "real" bitcoin. It seems obvious that the intent here is to confuse people. This, to me, seems like blatant fraud. It is concerning to me that coinbase would continue to allow this market confusion to build by l…

Which one is closest to the original design?

Probably the one that isn't owned by two wealthy elite individuals...

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post #109
post #107

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And that continuity can split and move back-and-forth between forks, as they gain or lose support. The sum of XBT+BCH price on exchanges fluctuated less than either coin alone.

Are you trying to say that the price of bitcoin crashed from ~$3000 to ~$300 immediately on August 1st 2017, and that coincidentally at the same time, a brand new asset appeared that had the same price that bitcoin did a few seconds earlier? That's just absolutely absurd.

> That's just absolutely absurd.

If you run a website and your database gets pwned by hackers, do you just give up and say oh well, I guess the pwned version is the real version now? No, you restore from a backup, and if that involves recreating some of your integrations with third-party providers then so be it.

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#116

Why is the name Blockstream constantly popping up as a source of blame for BTC's issues? That seems to be a theme in the last day or two by the BCH proponents.

Here's a historical explanation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6rxw7k/info...

Re: Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed

#117
post #96

Here's the stickiest thing about this entire thing to me: the name. Roger Ver (one of the people behind bcash) has said repeatedly that he believes that his fork deserves the name "Bitcoin" and that it is the "real" bitcoin. It seems obvious that the intent here is to confuse people. This, to me, seems like blatant fraud. It is concerning to me that coinbase would continue to allow this market confusion to build by l…

I have neither, Why can't he call his fork Bitcoin Cash? He claims that it adheres to the Bitcoin.org idea than BTC. Him & a vocal community (/r/btc) appears to believe in that. What gives BTC (and /r/bitcoin) the right to the name Bitcoin considering both are forks from the original chain?

You can create a fork today but should you be allowed to take the bitcoin name? Leave the name with the existing entity.

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You know, I'm willing to bet if you showed up at your local tax collector's with a large enough chunk of gold, they'd work with you.

Yes, but if you showed up in Tax Court with a chunk of gold, you would risk being held in contempt.

A 1-ounce gold coin issued by the US Mint is legal tender to the tune of $50. It says so right on the coin.

If you want to pay your taxes using gold coins, go right ahead. They will gladly accept it.

Re: Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed

#119
post #96

Here's the stickiest thing about this entire thing to me: the name. Roger Ver (one of the people behind bcash) has said repeatedly that he believes that his fork deserves the name "Bitcoin" and that it is the "real" bitcoin. It seems obvious that the intent here is to confuse people. This, to me, seems like blatant fraud. It is concerning to me that coinbase would continue to allow this market confusion to build by l…

It's really an open question which one is the "real" Bitcoin and merits having "Bitcoin" in the name.

It's like saying that the People's Front of Judea is fraudulent because they don't really represent Judeans like the Judean People's Front.

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Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin. They should just change the forked version to BCore or BStream, so as not to confuse people.

Bitcoin Classic, like an original product that was brought back due to marketing creating demand.

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