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Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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So does this prevent iframe hijack and pop-up types of annoying ads? They are the kinds I really really want to stop seeing. Unfortunately uBlock can only block so many.

Chrome 64 already blocks those by default: https://blog.chromium.org/2017/11/expanding-user-protections...

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

#143
The best way for Google to solve this problem, is to block all ads by default in chrome, remove ads on google.com, and charge users a yearly fee to click to the next page on any search result. Thus you have users paying real money to use google's full search feature. Everyone is happy.

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still doesn't make it ok, from an anti-competitive standpoint. "As long as I can download Netscape, having IE pre-installed is fine with me."

Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you use the internet with nothing installed? What's next? We're going to force shipping cars without wheels. It's unfair to decide what brand people should use without their consent.

You might remember this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/eu-fines-microso...

Of course, that ended not too long ago. While having IE was necessary to hit the web, it immediately presented the choices available.

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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How is this not anti-competitive behavior? If Microsoft was heavily fined for installing their own browser in their operating system, how is an advertising company like Google using their browser, which has the largest market share, to block competing ads not the same thing?!

Because there are multiple competing products you can switch to, or even multiple additional products (i.e. ublock/adblock) which you can add in Google's own product if you disagree with their stance. It's not anti-competitive just because you don't like it.

Ad companies don't get to choose which browser their ads are viewed with. Google is abusing their position as the market leader in one market to gain an unfair advantage in another market.

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> According to the article, the ads deemed "overly annoying or intrusive" are defined by "the standards established by the Coalition for Better Ads, of which it is a member". Since it's not Google actually deciding this, how is that anti-competitive? The argument I see for this: because it's a group Google, an ad seller, is part of deciding what ads are allowed and then Google blocking violating ads. Arguably, by pai…

Let's take TV as a comparison. On TV the ads have guidelines on what they can do and show, set by the tv channel and the broader regulation. On the internet, there isn't anything, it's the wild west. It can't hurt to get some minimal standards, doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it's enforced.

> set by the tv channel and the broader regulation.

Which is key. Television ad regulations aren't set – and enforced – by the dominant advertisement broker.

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still doesn't make it ok, from an anti-competitive standpoint. "As long as I can download Netscape, having IE pre-installed is fine with me."

Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you use the internet with nothing installed? What's next? We're going to force shipping cars without wheels. It's unfair to decide what brand people should use without their consent.

The EU forced Microsoft to give Windows users a choice of browsers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu

Having IE preinstalled was not necessary; OEMs could have (and some did) preinstall other browsers. What happened was that Microsoft decided to base unrelated parts of Windows on IE so that their browser would have to be preinstalled (Windows would not function without it). There was top-level direction on that decision and it was not actually motivated by a specific technical need.

Re: Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on February 15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still doesn't make it ok, from an anti-competitive standpoint. "As long as I can download Netscape, having IE pre-installed is fine with me."

"As long as I can download Netscape, having IE pre-installed is fine with me." Sure it is. If I buy a operation system and it comes bundled with a browser ... why should that be a problem? (the problem I see somewhere else...that you have sometimes no choice except to use that OS because of market dominance)

Windows became the dominant OS because of demand from computer users; the problem was that Microsoft used its dominance in the OS market as leverage to gain dominance in the browser market. It is not just that the OS came with a bundled browser -- Microsoft deliberately and for no technical reason made IE a dependency of several unrelated Windows features (e.g. the desktop, the file browser, etc.). Most people received Windows pre-installed on a computer they purchased; had Microsoft not made IE a dependency of Windows itself, OEMs would have bundled browsers according to customer demand.

So yes, in fact, having IE pre-installed was a problem and ultimately Microsoft was forced to create this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu

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