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Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

brokensegue wrote: post #80
ucaetano wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my thought: should browsers be content gatekeepers? (Honest question, this is a very tricky area) If Comcast decides to "block" 3rd party tracking and analytics content, would it be ok?

network neutrality refers to network providers being neutral to the data they transmit. applications running over the network can do as they please. by this argument ad-blockers violate net-neutrality.

Only if ad-blocker are set up by a third party such as your ISP. Anything run by the end user for her own use is not net neutrality.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

feelin_googley wrote: post #155

This raises the question: Why delay instead of block? Assumption is that user wants page to load faster but does not object to tracking . What if user wants page to load faster and objects to tracking? Source of Firefox tracking protection is list at disconnect.me? credit: eco https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15964393 Basic gethostbyname()->HOSTS file blocking: #!/bin/sh exec curl https://disconnect.me/trackerpro…

They've always opposed including an adblocker and tracking blocker claiming it's not their choice to make, but it folled no one, we all know it is because their business model and funding relies on tracking and ads.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

Vinnl wrote: post #167
feelin_googley wrote: post #155

This raises the question: Why delay instead of block? Assumption is that user wants page to load faster but does not object to tracking . What if user wants page to load faster and objects to tracking? Source of Firefox tracking protection is list at disconnect.me? credit: eco https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15964393 Basic gethostbyname()->HOSTS file blocking: #!/bin/sh exec curl https://disconnect.me/trackerpro…

Blocking is already supported: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/tracking-protection#w_how-to-... Mozilla doesn't want to enable it by default because it is the funding model of the web, and no viable alternative funding model for most of the web's content has arrived yet. (At least, that's the public statement. I don't know if e.g. potential lawsuits, etc. also play a role.)

Tracking is the funding model of online advertising and investor storytime but it's not the funding model of the web. I think there's no such thing as a funding model of the web.

the web was exclusively non commercial and later was opened to commercial activity and later advertising which added tracking because their business model was broken and they needed something to show their customers and investors to gein/keep their trust that online advertising was not a total scam as physical world mostly is.

The unexpected side effect is the creation of a global totalitarian surveillance state just to show ads: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=iFTWM7HV2UI

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

paulie_a wrote: post #124
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use TOR?

That doesn't accomplish my goal,. I don't want to hide, I want to ruin the data collected by making it innacurate and useless EDIT: Judging from the low quality of online marketing, it isn't hard to do.

Something like adnauseam ?

https://adnauseam.io/

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

ariana82 wrote: post #201

This is not something new as I use chains of local proxy and cache proxy (Privoxy and Squid) on my PC with Firefox to block ads and tracker. The problem is Firefox has memory leak issue as it consumes ~2GB RAM while browsing Facebook or using addons like Ghostery or Adblock.

Why would you use ghostery which was a tool to study people who want to black ads so they can be better served ads ?

Why would you use adblock which is outdated when ublock origin has been available for a while ?

It's strange that you take extra steps to block ads and tracker but peruse facebook whose sole purpose is tracking and profiling you and your family, friends, acquaintances through you.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

659087 wrote: post #115

Tracking scripts should be blocked by default, not just delayed. If a user has some strange desire to be watched, give them the option to opt-in to their browser unblocking tracking scripts/domains.

Then mozilla risks losing 90% of its revenues because it comes from online tracking and ads.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

cookiecaper wrote: post #21

This is the ground on which the war against Google, Facebook, et al is fought, but open-source solutions like Firefox are going to need to find a better way to monetize if they want to win. All this does is firm up the resolve of user identity resellers like FB and Google to see that Firefox gets destroyed, and it demonstrates why tech eventually all boils down to platform control. With Facebook code intruding into e…

> Mozilla is in its familiar position as the David of noble, non-moneyed interests challenging the user-hostile Goliath.

Mozilla is in its familiar position of only existing because Goliath gives back a small fraction of its tracking/advertising earnings in exchange for sending users its way. The exact opposite on non-moneyed interests.

Do you remember how Apple considered using mozilla code to buld their browser but rejected the idea because the code quality was much too low for their standard so they went to KHTML to build webkit ? Yeah vendor lock-in walled garden Apple ditching safari for firefox, not happening.

What's to gain for microsoft by switching to firefox ? Chance are this is not happening either.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by codezero »

quickben wrote: post #184
codezero wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're saying, but I also want to assert: we're not in the thieves' guild. I mentioned that analytics as a broad category, gets bunched up with a bunch of very nefarious folks – it's like conflating Tor to The Silk Road and their ilk (of which I have no strong objection, but I am using as an example, since many might see selling drugs as "bad", but Tor as "good"). With that said, the comments above this th…

Unfortunately for the field , analytics is equated with advertising and user profiling lately. We'll see how this one pans out, but it may be somewhat career limiting.

In fairness, much of the modern data analytics field was born out of the need to quantify advertising effectiveness, so I'm not surprised the two have become conflated.

Google Analytics is (mostly) free in part because it supports and validates users of Adwords, and this has contributed heavily to the ubiquity of GA.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by privacywall »

Vinnl wrote: post #166
privacywall wrote: post #162

I built PrivacyWall to block all Firefox telemetry urls. It may make your browsing even faster since it blocks all unwanted data collection that happens in the background at the OS level. That means it is more effective than an extension running on top of Firefox, and Firefox cannot surreptitiously send data without your knowledge anymore. If you are working on sensitive projects and this is something you are worried…

Fun fact: you can turn off telemetry yourself in Firefox. And it's open source, so you (or someone else) can check that it's actually off.

For the sake of Firefox users, I hope you are right. There's been complaints it flips back on after Firefox updates, so your privacy is at the whims of Firefox.

Fun fact: Firefox just pushed out the Looking Glass add-on to users without notice or consent this past weekend.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by ariana82 »

bigbugbag wrote: post #235
ariana82 wrote: post #201

This is not something new as I use chains of local proxy and cache proxy (Privoxy and Squid) on my PC with Firefox to block ads and tracker. The problem is Firefox has memory leak issue as it consumes ~2GB RAM while browsing Facebook or using addons like Ghostery or Adblock.

Why would you use ghostery which was a tool to study people who want to black ads so they can be better served ads ? Why would you use adblock which is outdated when ublock origin has been available for a while ? It's strange that you take extra steps to block ads and tracker but peruse facebook whose sole purpose is tracking and profiling you and your family, friends, acquaintances through you.

I don't use Ghostery and AdBlock. I see my friends using it and how Firefox consume tons of his PC memory.

I use different browser to access different category websites. Brave browser for social media and Firefox for news reading or researching. Both of that browsers using the same local proxy connection in my PC. I installed Privoxy and Squid on the same PC with that browsers and so they are appear as the same user agents (e.g. Chrome).

When I access http://www.janbambas.cz, of course my browser loading faster as my Privoxy allow/block these domains:

  2017-12-21 00:55:32.780 00000f04 Request: www.janbambas.cz:443/

  2017-12-21 00:55:34.632 00001194 Crunch: Blocked: fonts.googleapis.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:34.670 00000e3c Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:34.697 00000e8c Crunch: Blocked: www.google.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:34.711 000013e8 Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:34.741 000012cc Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:35.680 00000ce4 Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:35.721 00000978 Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:35.736 000010e0 Crunch: Blocked: www.google.com:443

  2017-12-21 00:55:35.759 00000104 Crunch: Blocked: secure.gravatar.com:443
You see that, my Privoxy blocked 9 connections and 3 domains.

What makes me sick is this person #Honza Bambas# doesn't give a real solution to our browsing problems. He only makes us die slowly.

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