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GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by scoon1329 »

gravy wrote: post #11

How is this different from me paying for more for faster internet?

From what I understand, the difference is that even if you pay more for that faster internet, you may still not load sites as fast because they haven't paid the ISP for their traffic to be prioritised over others.

Also if you run a website and have paid for a decent connection to serve your site through, you may still not be able to serve that site as fast as you can without paying additional ISP's to prioritise your traffic.

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by Jotra7 »

djschnei wrote: post #16

Can someone explain to me how it's evil for them to charge more money for a "bigger pipe"? Their networks can only service so much traffic; not sure why supply and demand are seen as evil in this case.

Because it's not paying for a "bigger pipe." It's so they can degrade service and not upgrade infrastructure. It's so they can prioritize their services over competing ones on the pipe that you paid for. Imagine a hypothetical electric company changing their electric service to make it only function 100% of the time with appliances they sell or appliances from companies that pay kickbacks to the electrical company, while the rest of appliances you have currently will stop functioning reliably. Unless you pay for the electricity "fast lanes."

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by scoon1329 »

djschnei wrote: post #16

Can someone explain to me how it's evil for them to charge more money for a "bigger pipe"? Their networks can only service so much traffic; not sure why supply and demand are seen as evil in this case.

The issue is more complex than just a bigger pipe.

As a site owner, you pay a service provider (or cloud hosting service or whatever) to offer you a certain amount of bandwidth to host your site.

The problem comes when other ISP's implement their fast lanes and traffic from your site doesn't get equal priority to traffic from another site who has paid that specific ISP to prioritise their traffic when serving their customers.

So you end up having to pay multiple ISP's to prioritise your traffic on their networks. Your site could appear slow even if you've paid your own service provider for a high bandwidth.

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Post by paulmd »

djschnei wrote: post #20
djschnei wrote: post #16

Can someone explain to me how it's evil for them to charge more money for a "bigger pipe"? Their networks can only service so much traffic; not sure why supply and demand are seen as evil in this case.

Yes, yes... don't explain, just downvote.

Explanation: you have not even done a bare minimum of attention or research on a pivotal internet-freedom issue that has been slow-boiling over the past 3 months and you are still weighing in as if your opinion is informed (let alone intellectually significant) in any respect whatsoever. It's not like it's a real deep and multi-faceted issue or anything here, you just didn't bother to do even a bare minimum of research.

Maybe consider doing the google before weighing in on a major issue before demanding that it be spoon-fed to you.

This sort of post is actually subtly demeaning to everyone else on this forum and lowers the level of discussion here. Try to elevate it instead.

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by AquaMorph »

djschnei wrote: post #20
djschnei wrote: post #16

Can someone explain to me how it's evil for them to charge more money for a "bigger pipe"? Their networks can only service so much traffic; not sure why supply and demand are seen as evil in this case.

Yes, yes... don't explain, just downvote.

Downvoting things I dislike is easier than explaining why I think they are wrong

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by e40 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #13

It's funny how they always vehemently advocate for states rights unless these states rights get in the way of their agenda.

Came here to say this. It shows the GOP doesn't really stand for anything. They just say what they need to say, in the moment, to get what they want.

If Clinton were POTUS and Russian ties like had been found to the Trump administration, she would have been impeached already. But it's their man, so let's look the other way. Same with State's rights.

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Post by ictoan »

e40 wrote: post #26
maxxxxx wrote: post #13

It's funny how they always vehemently advocate for states rights unless these states rights get in the way of their agenda.

Came here to say this. It shows the GOP doesn't really stand for anything. They just say what they need to say, in the moment, to get what they want. If Clinton were POTUS and Russian ties like had been found to the Trump administration, she would have been impeached already. But it's their man, so let's look the other way. Same with State's rights.

This! "They just say what they need to say, in the moment, to get what they want"

And Trump is the magnification of the GOP.

We need to hold them accountable!!!

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by Spivak »

maxxxxx wrote: post #13

It's funny how they always vehemently advocate for states rights unless these states rights get in the way of their agenda.

This isn't very charitable. You should be happy that the GOP doesn't rotely apply their 'principles' even when it's idiotic to do so. Federal laws that create 'maximums' like this always come with preemption. Otherwise a different states are going to enact different versions of NN to score political points accomplishing one of two things: a rule that tries to simplify the regulatory environment will actually make it more complicated because now there's 50 separate policies, or ISPs will be forced to follow the rules of the state with the strictest rules which more-or-less invalidates the federal rule.

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by jessaustin »

ictoan wrote: post #27
e40 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say this. It shows the GOP doesn't really stand for anything. They just say what they need to say, in the moment, to get what they want. If Clinton were POTUS and Russian ties like had been found to the Trump administration, she would have been impeached already. But it's their man, so let's look the other way. Same with State's rights.

This! "They just say what they need to say, in the moment, to get what they want" And Trump is the magnification of the GOP. We need to hold them accountable!!!

OMG you're serious. Partisans are so cute.

Re: GOP net neutrality bill would allow paid fast lanes and preempt state laws

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Post by djschnei »

paulmd wrote: post #24
djschnei wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, yes... don't explain, just downvote.

Explanation: you have not even done a bare minimum of attention or research on a pivotal internet-freedom issue that has been slow-boiling over the past 3 months and you are still weighing in as if your opinion is informed (let alone intellectually significant) in any respect whatsoever. It's not like it's a real deep and multi-faceted issue or anything here, you just didn't bother to do even a bare minimum of resear…

Yup, I don't hold your opinion so I am uninformed. Asked for your POV, but I'm too dumb to even attempt to explain it to. Must revert to personal slights and putdowns. Ahhhh, politics in 2017.
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