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Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by mquander »

notyourday wrote: post #129
notyourday wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My company doesn't share or sell data with third parties (it's in our TOS – and could obviously change in some Orwellian future, but we'd have to update the TOS), it's the customer's data, they can use it in the same way they'd use any other data they collect. We don't do cross-domain tracking, or aggregate behavioral information across customers, and the way we've built it, it makes it pretty hard to tie any two v…

Jesus. Really? Downvotes? Pretend this person worked for facebook and made some statement regarding what the company does. (a) he would be fired on the spot by the company itself ( as he is not authorized to speak on behalf of the company ) (b) he would be laughed out the room because he does not control company decisions The same applies to every single company. Every single one.

I have no idea what you're talking about. People from big tech companies say their opinion about what their company does all the time.

Your comment was super rude.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by robszumski »

anfedorov wrote: post #126
mehrdadn wrote: post #52

Does anyone know where I can find the list of sites that are affected? EDIT: Seems to be here: https://github.com/mozilla-services/shavar-prod-lists

Here it is newline-separated in case you want to import it into the Adblock DNS filter for iOS: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anfedorov/1fa7dc8871b20da...

Is there any way you can make this work for Chrome on iOS?

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by nol13 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #63
nol13 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

take all the tracking away sure, but lets leave react out of this.

Well, that's just the thing. Facebook's control over React means it won't be left out of this. Why do we think that they invest in this? Every company wants to integrate themselves as an irreducible dependency in your processes and systems. Facebook doesn't get any money for letting you use React, and they no longer get the value of using it as a kludge to allow them to more easily steal the intellectual property of…

but i like it.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by jonchang »

zaphirplane wrote: post #105
mquander wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an opt-in "tracking protection" checkbox in Firefox you can click that doesn't load them at all.

Hmm doesn’t it send a do not track cookie, tracker JS is still loaded and discretionary

No, it's basically a content blocker like Adblock or noscript.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by Dylan16807 »

downbloated wrote: post #132
notyourday wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus. Really? Downvotes? Pretend this person worked for facebook and made some statement regarding what the company does. (a) he would be fired on the spot by the company itself ( as he is not authorized to speak on behalf of the company ) (b) he would be laughed out the room because he does not control company decisions The same applies to every single company. Every single one.

The clue here is that even though you’ve been downvoted by multiple people, they’re all too chickenshit to voice their “legitimate” opinion backing the downvote. The only real interpretation here is that, while ethically, you may be correct, you’ve expressed an opinion that “ stealing is wrong ” among members of the thieves guild.

notyourday is insulting the guy based on a supposed lack of "authorization" to speak. That has absolutely zero to do with ethics of the company or the contents of their post.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by codezero »

notyourday wrote: post #102
codezero wrote: post #68

I work for an analytics company, this will affect my snippet – I don't think it is a big deal, but I'm going to benchmark it on a few sites. From what is described here, it may actually help us. When folks throw tons of tags into their site, we're all competing against each-other as well as the site's own loading – it makes sense to prioritize the site's rendering. I think of this as no more invasive than pre-caching…

> My company doesn't share or sell data with third parties (it's in our TOS – and could obviously change in some Orwellian future, but we'd have to update the TOS), it's the customer's data, they can use it in the same way they'd use any other data they collect. We don't do cross-domain tracking, or aggregate behavioral information across customers, and the way we've built it, it makes it pretty hard to tie any two v…

Nope, happy to fall on a sword if this happens though.

Also – really bummed you got downvoted – this point is very valid and other folks in my position should take note.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by codezero »

notyourday wrote: post #129
notyourday wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My company doesn't share or sell data with third parties (it's in our TOS – and could obviously change in some Orwellian future, but we'd have to update the TOS), it's the customer's data, they can use it in the same way they'd use any other data they collect. We don't do cross-domain tracking, or aggregate behavioral information across customers, and the way we've built it, it makes it pretty hard to tie any two v…

Jesus. Really? Downvotes? Pretend this person worked for facebook and made some statement regarding what the company does. (a) he would be fired on the spot by the company itself ( as he is not authorized to speak on behalf of the company ) (b) he would be laughed out the room because he does not control company decisions The same applies to every single company. Every single one.

Agreed, they make a good point, however, I think the terms of service are binding, and if what we're doing changes, we _must_ update them. This, of course, does not change the fact that we've collected a lot of data and it would suddenly fall under the new terms of service.

With that said, I actively delete customer data on request, and a terms of service change like this _might_ (very reasonably) prompt someone to request their data to be deleted, and since terms of service are not typically immediately effective without consent, I feel strongly that I would make sure I could remove data for people who do not agree with the new terms of service. What I'm saying, is that I would fight very hard for my customers, like, ridiculously hard.

As said above – I am not the CEO – I don't have controlling interest, and there is absolutely some future where the things I said above are impossible to execute. I have not felt that way yet, and I am very conscious of the possibility if that in the future, and will stay vigilant both for my customers and for my own peace of mind to make sure we're always doing the right thing.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by jstarfish »

cabaalis wrote: post #133
Feniks wrote: post #125

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I block ads, analytics and 3rd party fonts. Almost every site works just fine.

As I'm sure you're aware, many content creators that you are reading the work of fund their efforts via ads. I think this is a happy medium to attempt to improve performance of these pages without denying them compensation.

I used to feel bad about it, but it has become evident that any content creator still primarily funding themselves through third-party ads in 2017 is the digital equivalent of a streetwalker.

It's a low-class business model that is rife with disease. There's no barrier to entry-- literally anybody can do it, there is no filtering of who they'll do business with, and it's a race to the bottom to earn pennies at the expense of their integrity. Despite having actual content of value, they share a business model with a blog farm full of Markov-generated malware-laden shitposts.

Given the now-well-known threats to health and safety that third-party ads present, one does not have the right to get upset when clients insist on using protection when dealing with them.

Set up a Patreon for donations, set up affiliate links or offer subscriber perks if adblocking is cutting into revenue. Either option is far more lucrative, ethical and honest than whoring oneself out for the benefit of some shady ad firm that leaves the user with a nasty case of Bonzi.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by tedmiston »

codezero wrote: post #68

I work for an analytics company, this will affect my snippet – I don't think it is a big deal, but I'm going to benchmark it on a few sites. From what is described here, it may actually help us. When folks throw tons of tags into their site, we're all competing against each-other as well as the site's own loading – it makes sense to prioritize the site's rendering. I think of this as no more invasive than pre-caching…

I also work for an analytics company too, or more accurately a data router that integrates with other analytics companies, including yours. I'd be interested in seeing your benchmark results as it's unclear to me whether / how this potentially impacts us.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by codezero »

Sophistifunk wrote: post #74
codezero wrote: post #68

I work for an analytics company, this will affect my snippet – I don't think it is a big deal, but I'm going to benchmark it on a few sites. From what is described here, it may actually help us. When folks throw tons of tags into their site, we're all competing against each-other as well as the site's own loading – it makes sense to prioritize the site's rendering. I think of this as no more invasive than pre-caching…

It's a grey area. But I am interested, do your ToS forbid your customers from on-sharing the data with cross-site aggregators?

Nope – not explicitly, that would be something within _their_ terms of service since it's their data. Their own customers would have to hold them accountable.

I know that's a cop-out – but I can't imagine a system where we could enforce some kind of downstream compliance.

Things like GDPR are a good way to make companies accountable and I look forward to that becoming more broadly accepted.

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