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Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by Mithaldu »

gfodor wrote: post #114
deepnotderp wrote: post #62

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There's nothing that's not physically possible here, just bottlenecked by G forces limitations on human passengers. Given the fact that drone technology testing was extremely popular at the time, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just experimental drone testing.

How can you possibly make this claim? The director of this program is on record saying that after deploying extensive analytical resources at the Pentagon onto all the evidence (cross referencing radar signatures, satellite feeds, etc) and leveraging internal expertise to rule out alternatives there remain cases for which there remains no explanation consistent with the idea that these are aircraft in any government'…

According to Politico there is some doubt as to how legit said director is.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by LyndsySimon »

colanderman wrote: post #128
LyndsySimon wrote: post #125

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Note that it's a thermal camera - the object is showing up as very hot compared to the background of the sky. Also, the "halo" effect is an artifact of the imaging system I'm told.

The sky is thermally very cold. Something room temperature would show up much brighter.

When the MFD says "BLACK", black is hot. When it says "WHITE", white is hot. It switches partway through - the object is hotter than the background.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by cmroanirgo »

Dr Steven Greer of the disclosure project[1] recently made a dvd, called 'Unacknowledged'. It's been #one on iTunes documentary (apparently) for a while. In it he talks about 'Unacknowledged Special Access Projects' (USAPs), which basically are illegal. The core of these USAPs is the UFO issue and he has countless witness testimonies from irrefutable military and private personnel, and has advised many people in Washington (CIA director, president elects) about them and they are generally amazed (apparently). One of the things he explicitly mentions (and has been doing so for years), is that there is a secret agenda and that False Flag UFO encounters will be released, which will allow the military industrial complex to continue enslaving humanity.

To the point: recently, he's been vocal to state that all these UFO reports in the media over the last few days are just preliminary Flase Flag UFO events, designed to confuse and obfuscate the real problem.

[1] http://siriusdisclosure.com/

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by cmroanirgo »

gooseus wrote: post #70
brango wrote: post #33

I'm sold on the whole UFO cover-up thing. If you peel back the social ridicule (very successfully induced by US government collaboration with Hollywood) and consider the huge number of circumstantial reports from across the military and non-military it seems pretty clear there's stuff in the skies of non-human origin. Historical art suggests they've been flying for centuries. There's also the publicly acknowledged re…

Links to credible sources or GTFO. That was rude, I know, but remember that the evidence required is proportional to the claim. Extraterrestrial machines literally flying within our atmosphere is an extraordinary claim and requires more evidence than a huge number of circumstantial reports. I imagine the claim like a hole in the ground that needs to be filled with nice clear evidence in order for people to swim in it…

As per previous comment of mine, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15966698

See http://siriusdisclosure.com/ countless testimonies, videos and proofs.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by tiplus »

I am not sure about UFO sightings because it seems unlikely to me that aliens would approach us like this.

However, given the huge amounts of exo planets discovered everywhere around us in the last year or two, I consider it highly unlikely that we are alone.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by colanderman »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #132
colanderman wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sky is thermally very cold. Something room temperature would show up much brighter.

When the MFD says "BLACK", black is hot. When it says "WHITE", white is hot. It switches partway through - the object is hotter than the background.

Yes, I know. But almost any object is hotter than the sky, especially if you are above cloud cover. If you own an IR thermometer, point it at the sky on a clear day to see what I mean (you'll get readings well below 0°F).

So just because the object is hotter than the sky & clouds doesn't mean much. It could be "room temperature" (say, an insect or fresh bird poo). Or it could be reflective, and simply be reflecting the heat of the plane or camera itself.

What would be helpful is to know the range of temperatures represented by that image. The object is overexposed, so at least we could get a lower bound on its temperature.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by shedaemon »

briffle wrote: post #111
corobo wrote: post #106

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Why though? Why would an alien species just do atmosphere drive-bys? Why wouldn’t they pop down and say hello? Why on earth would NASA, SETI, SpaceX, etc cover up the biggest scoop (biggest FUNDING scoop) of Earth’s history? Why wouldn’t any of the other LEO piercing countries in the world grass it up? Thousands of people working in each of the space-faring countries, all keeping quiet about it. Why would the US, Rus…

When we send scientists to document and study the penguins in Antarctica and their march to lay and sit on eggs, do we have the scientists go walk down to where they are, measure them, interact with them, etc? Or do we spot them from a distance, as discretely as possible, so that we don't disturb the subjects, and don't bias the study of their interactions?

Remember "Occam's Razor?" It is so incredibly difficult to travel through interstellar space that "aliens" is not the simplest explanation. Any civilization so advanced that it could bridge such distances in space to study earth would definitely have the technology to be undetectable. They'd have molecular sized drones collecting info. They wouldn't be detectable on radar. And it certainly wouldn't be the aliens themselves travelling, collecting data, it would be thousands of tiny robots. A more logical explanation is that this phenomenon is terrestrial in origin. The object from the pilot's video in 2012 was tracked and seen for several weeks by a Navy ship. Where are those records? Maybe this whole thing was an experiment to see how the military responds to an advanced piece of equipment. The fact that the object appeared on radar at the pilot's rendezvous point 60 miles away is very suspicious.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

briffle wrote: post #111
corobo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why though? Why would an alien species just do atmosphere drive-bys? Why wouldn’t they pop down and say hello? Why on earth would NASA, SETI, SpaceX, etc cover up the biggest scoop (biggest FUNDING scoop) of Earth’s history? Why wouldn’t any of the other LEO piercing countries in the world grass it up? Thousands of people working in each of the space-faring countries, all keeping quiet about it. Why would the US, Rus…

When we send scientists to document and study the penguins in Antarctica and their march to lay and sit on eggs, do we have the scientists go walk down to where they are, measure them, interact with them, etc? Or do we spot them from a distance, as discretely as possible, so that we don't disturb the subjects, and don't bias the study of their interactions?

Exactly. Sci-fi writers have contemplated this. Advanced civilizations might consider cultural contamination of a relatively-primitive civilization so bad that they'll strive to avoid it (e.g. Star Trek's Prime Directive).

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

ansible wrote: post #89
dsacco wrote: post #57

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I’m open minded to what you’re saying, and I agree that dismissing alien contact due to popular zeitgeist is silly. But here’s my problem with what you’re saying: where did they come from then, and how did they get here? Why do we not have any evidence of their planet in any reasonable distance from Earth? Given what we understand about modern physics, we have three conclusions we can arrive at: 1. We fundamentally m…

I used to be fascinated with the UFO reports and such as a kid. However, I grew up, and learned physics. And then later I learned about things like Molecular Nanotechnology. Aliens, as popularly conceived, have not been here, and will not be coming here. Why? I'll explain. Space is big. Like, really big. The distance to the nearest star system is 4 light-years away. Even for a small object, it takes an enormous amoun…

But maybe the UFO are really old machines (like millions of years old) in which case they can take all they time they need to travel and decelerate, such that wouldn't produce drive flairs.
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