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120M American Households Exposed In 'Massive' ConsumerView Database Leak

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At this point the only reasonable conclusion is that all of your bio/demo, employment, residential history, medical history, insurance claims history, credit history, etc is exposed. These things are no longer valid for identity verification.

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The data is just way too spread between too many companies. Someone will screw up somewhen for sure. Not sure how to solve this. Make it illegal to store data and instead only allow access with permission for specific purposes?

The horse is out of the barn. We need to make the data itself worthless. There's no getting it back.

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The data is just way too spread between too many companies. Someone will screw up somewhen for sure. Not sure how to solve this. Make it illegal to store data and instead only allow access with permission for specific purposes?

Let companies share and do whatever they want but put huge fines on data breaches. Make it a felony to hide, fail to report or otherwise lie about data breaches. Money if you fuck up, prison if you lie about it.

that should align some incentives and get you a good way along. It will incentivise proper security measures, and help quench the thirst for data in the first place.

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Personal data right now is considered an asset. It needs to be seen as a liability.

Maybe the solution is a data tax. You pay a set amount every year for every piece of personal data you have. If you buy personal data from another company, you still have to pay the tax for the data you acquired.

If you have a breach of data, your tax goes up for a period of 10 years.

In addition, every piece of personal data needs to have provenance which must be tracked. There must be a way to track from when a consumer input the data all the way through. Fraud in regards to this provenance is punishable by jail time. If you have data that does not have provenance, the company will be severely fined and people will go to jail. In the event of any data breach, not only will the company that had the breach be taxed extra, all companies that provided the data to the company (which is in the provenance information for the data) that had the breach will also be punished with increased data taxes.

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In addition, maybe require annual personal data reports. The reports should contain

Amount of personal data.

Amount of personal data last year.

Data breaches.

Amount of personal data acquired directly from consumers.

Amount of personal data purchased and from whom at what prices.

Amount of personal data sold and to whom for what price.

This will be a filing to a government agency every year on penalty of perjury and be signed by all the board members and the c-suite. This will be publicly made available by the government. That way people can see what is happening with their data, and who is profiting off their data.

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The data is just way too spread between too many companies. Someone will screw up somewhen for sure. Not sure how to solve this. Make it illegal to store data and instead only allow access with permission for specific purposes?

Let companies share and do whatever they want but put huge fines on data breaches. Make it a felony to hide, fail to report or otherwise lie about data breaches. Money if you fuck up, prison if you lie about it. that should align some incentives and get you a good way along. It will incentivise proper security measures, and help quench the thirst for data in the first place.

A problem in the U.S. with using criminal law to control wealthy corporations is the doctrine of "prosecutorial discretion".

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The linked article is not very good imo. It goes into almost no detail, despite including two directly contradictory statements: "Yet another cloud storage misconfiguration has exposed personally identifiable information (PII)" and "the data in question contained no names of any individuals or any other personal identifying information"

Can we change this to link to the Forbes article referenced in the linked one? It goes into substantially more detail, including reconciling the researcher's claim with Experian's. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/12/19/120m-...

edit: didn't even notice the substantially more click-baity headline "Every single American household" vs. "120 million American households".

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The data is just way too spread between too many companies. Someone will screw up somewhen for sure. Not sure how to solve this. Make it illegal to store data and instead only allow access with permission for specific purposes?

Let companies share and do whatever they want but put huge fines on data breaches. Make it a felony to hide, fail to report or otherwise lie about data breaches. Money if you fuck up, prison if you lie about it. that should align some incentives and get you a good way along. It will incentivise proper security measures, and help quench the thirst for data in the first place.

If no one went to jail for what Wells Fargo did with opening unauthorized accounts I don't have much hope that there will be meaningful fines for data breaches.

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Personal data right now is considered an asset. It needs to be seen as a liability. Maybe the solution is a data tax. You pay a set amount every year for every piece of personal data you have. If you buy personal data from another company, you still have to pay the tax for the data you acquired. If you have a breach of data, your tax goes up for a period of 10 years. In addition, every piece of personal data needs to…

Instead of a data tax, I like the idea of mandatory data insurance, with payouts to users whose data is leaked/stolen. If your company has shitty security, or a history of leaks, your data insurance provider will charge out the ass.

The financial math has to clearly be on the side of it being more profitable to practice proactive security.

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