EU is one of my best hopes when it comes to privacy and really wish they start going after tech behemoths. I have given up on US authorities doing anything to reign them in. And policies in other significant countries (eg. China) would be even worse for user privacy.
WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities
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Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities
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Are you mad? Miss out on a market of 740+ million of the world's richest consumers, twice the size of the US, the bulk of the western world and most of the developed economies on the planet?? No, that's absolutely not going to happen. Additionally, they'd never risk withdrawing from a market and letting a local competitor develop, take hold, expand, and attack them on home turf. Look at social networks and search eng…
"EDIT: I see you are fairly highly placed in Google. I'm quite surprised if you genuinely think what you wrote, given the raw numbers you must surely know, but given your legal training, I am not at all surprised that you would posture as if you were unaware of this." Character assassination, awesome! Please leave the company i work for this out of this, always. I never speak for my company on hacker news unless i sa…
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#223I had been cultivating the two as separate networks, to avoid the algorithm’s tunnel vision and interact with a wider circle of people. I never linked my IG and FB accounts together. I use both of them for my business as an artist, and have thousands of people that I’ve never met on both. On instagram, they started emphasizing the posts of people I had recently interacted with on Facebook, and vice versa. Presumably, the algo does this because it deduced I’m particularly interested in those people. It’s an incorrect guess and is actually the opposite of what I’m trying to achieve by using the two apps.
When Instagram was purchased, I presumed that Facebook was going to slowly turning into Facebook and ruin it. It’s a typical story – a new product comes up that is successful or special for reasons that a large company can’t understand, and since they didn’t understand it enough to create it, once they own it, they can’t continue the recipe. Filtering the feed, ads, video, the snapchat copy, messaging... Turning Instagram into an extension of the Facebook network actually makes it a lot less useful. Once my parents are posting on there, I’m done.
Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities
#224I wonder what the legal argument is behind this ruling. If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway.
Facebook made a commitment they wouldn't connect the data in order to get permission from competition authorities for the merger. I don't know how legally binding that is.
Not quite. They said it's "technically impossible" and the EU fined them for $122M after Facebook did "the impossible" and started sharing WhatsApp data with Facebook.
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/05/facebook-re...
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Last I heard, Uber works just fine in France > And in Germany you don't know yet what's living without cash and only with a credit card. That's on the Germans (especially Berliners), rest of Europe uses cards a lot more. And I'm glad the US finally took their head out of the sand and are using Chip Cards But yeah the cookie notice is pretty much useless (and I think it's been implemented badly by websites as well). N…
I live in Munich, Bavaria, and, to give an example, in most restaurants you will not be able to pay with a credit card. Having said that, you can pay once you reach a minimum amount with what they call an "EC-Karte", a sort of debit card.
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"EDIT: I see you are fairly highly placed in Google. I'm quite surprised if you genuinely think what you wrote, given the raw numbers you must surely know, but given your legal training, I am not at all surprised that you would posture as if you were unaware of this." Character assassination, awesome! Please leave the company i work for this out of this, always. I never speak for my company on hacker news unless i sa…
That wasn't a character assassination. However, it's a very convenient cop-out for you to duck out of the discussion. Kindest regards, farewell.
It quite literally was (ie it's literally dictionary definition character assassination), and if you don't understand that, i'm not sure what to tell you
"However, it's a very convenient cop-out for you to duck out of the discussion. "
So, just to get this straight, your way of having a "discussion" is:
1. slag on someone's character and background for no reason.
2. drag irrelevant stuff into the mix.
3. Cast aspersions on their motivations for refusing to participate as a result.
Yes, if that's how you have "discussions", please, feel free to keep me the hell out of them.
I've participated in plenty contentious discussions on HN with actually civil people.
Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities
#227I wonder what the legal argument is behind this ruling. If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway.
Facebook made a commitment they wouldn't connect the data in order to get permission from competition authorities for the merger. I don't know how legally binding that is.
When The Coca Cola Company (the folks who own the secret sauce) bought Coca Cola North America (N. America's largest bottler) there was an entire floor that TCCC empoyees weren't allowed into. CCNA had bottling agreements with TCCC's competitors.
The restrictions were strict!
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As the article says, under GDPR (coming in mid-2018) they will be able to fine 4% of global revenue, or 20m EUR, whichever is larger [1]. I'm not certain that this particular case is covered by the GDPR, but if it is, then that will compel action. If Facebook declines to pay these fines, then presumably their execs would be arrested if they ever travelled anywhere in the EU. While FB can claim that it “is only subjec…
Or you'll see FB/others decide the EU isn't worth it over time. It's interesting how many people here believe that there is no other possibility other than "we get what we want to happen". Your faith is, IMHO, misplaced. There are many cases in history where other companies decided it wasn't worth the cost of doing business in certain countries. Or they just successfully coopted the governments!
I'd be very surprised if the case described in the OP was the last straw for FB in the EU though. By "change their tune" I really just meant that they will have to take another position than "your laws don't apply to us even though we do business in the EU". Exiting the EU would also be a change of tune as well!
(I don't have any numbers here, and would be interested in your thoughts, but I'd be very surprised if regulatory compliance was eating as much as 10% of FB's profit in the EU. I'd guess it's more like 1%. But that's just shooting from the hip based on my experience in a more regulated space than FB's. I'd expect FB to remain in the EU until regulatory costs made it unprofitable; it would seem hard to justify any other approach to their shareholders.)
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That wasn't a character assassination. However, it's a very convenient cop-out for you to duck out of the discussion. Kindest regards, farewell.
"That wasn't a character assassination." It quite literally was (ie it's literally dictionary definition character assassination), and if you don't understand that, i'm not sure what to tell you "However, it's a very convenient cop-out for you to duck out of the discussion. " So, just to get this straight, your way of having a "discussion" is: 1. slag on someone's character and background for no reason. 2. drag irrel…
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Dunno about Germany but in most Europe i lived cashless. Maybe I am misunderstanding your line about living with only a credit card.
No. You are not misunderstanding me. You are right that there are several European countries with a well spread normalization of using credit cards. In the European countries that I've spent most of my life, and which are also some of the biggest ones (Germany, France, Spain) have still IMO a poor acceptance of credit cards. -- In contrast, for example, in London you can pretty much live without cash whatsoever.