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Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#91

Post by dragonwriter »

0xFFC wrote: post #86
ohyes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer…

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

> one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?”

If the Abrahamic religions (not even to mention all the religions that don't rest on a singular preeminent emissary, which don't have this problem at all) can survive and thrive in the face of the latter question, the former isn't much of a challenge.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#92

Post by lucozade »

dsacco wrote: post #57
brango wrote: post #33

I'm sold on the whole UFO cover-up thing. If you peel back the social ridicule (very successfully induced by US government collaboration with Hollywood) and consider the huge number of circumstantial reports from across the military and non-military it seems pretty clear there's stuff in the skies of non-human origin. Historical art suggests they've been flying for centuries. There's also the publicly acknowledged re…

I’m open minded to what you’re saying, and I agree that dismissing alien contact due to popular zeitgeist is silly. But here’s my problem with what you’re saying: where did they come from then, and how did they get here? Why do we not have any evidence of their planet in any reasonable distance from Earth? Given what we understand about modern physics, we have three conclusions we can arrive at: 1. We fundamentally m…

Not sure I agree with the analysis, although I do agree with the conclusion.

We've only known there's a pervasive limit for a century. We've known for a few decades that the limit is quite subtle i.e. the violation of local realism. It's not at all difficult to imagine that there is more to know in this field. I mean, it took 200-odd years before Newtonian mechanics was supplanted. So there's form.

Also, you don't need to go faster than light as long as you don't go back. If alien explorers are going at a decent fraction of light speed, they can get a fairly long way in a sensible timespan for them. Just not for the folk back home.

My objection to the conspiracy theory idea is that it just doesn't make any sense. They drew huge pictures and built great monuments then got shy. They now play peekaboo with rednecks and the odd fighter pilot.

Governments could be covering up alien tech from a long gone race but one that's still here? A race that they collude with but let out to do a bit of probing because, presumably, the government can't find bodies for them.

So nah. They're not here but it's not technically inconceivable that they haven't been in the past or won't be in the future. It just doesn't seem very likely.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#93

Post by 0xFFC »

dragonwriter wrote: post #91
0xFFC wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

> one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?” How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middl…

>How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?”

Nice question. I remember when I was 12,13 and lived with my family (in religious country) I have thought about the exact same question. I think you are totally right.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#94

Post by r3bl »

0xFFC wrote: post #12

Excuse me, I am generally a naive person. But what is your take on this video? Do you think this is legitimate? Do you think this “proves ” there are UFOs? Or this could be just a strategy for another goal? For example, somebody mentioned they are trying hard to redirect attention from something else? Update: I put the word prove in quotations.

> But what is your take on this video? Do you think this is legitimate?

Yes, they legitimately saw something that they could not explain at the time.

> Do you think this proofs there are UFOs?

Of course there are flying objects that haven't been identified by someone. That doesn't mean they are extra terrestrial though.

> Somebody mentioned they are trying hard to redirect attention from something else?

Who's "they"?

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#95

Post by gaussianproc87 »

0xFFC wrote: post #86
ohyes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer…

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

I've found the issue interesting from another perspective: given I found the eye-witness evidence for Christianity compelling, can I test myself to come to the right conclusion in a similarly contentious but unrelated field? The shear amount of eye witness testimony for UFO sightings and encounters is overwhelming, particularly from people who have impeccable credentials and have everything to lose (meeting strongly the criterion of embarrassment, similar to the apostles). Both make big claims that rest on eye-witness (or claimed eye-witness) testimony. One isn't accessible to the scientific method whereas the other is. If ridicule has been misplaced on the UFO issue, I'm inclined the think we should give pause for thought about the other issues that are commonly ridiculed by society. Regarding aliens rendering religion nonsense: on Christianity, no-one ever said that all creatures were made in the image of God or if they were that God should decide to show his grace towards them. It's clearly compatible with Christianity - can't speak for Islam.

Interesting that you use the word ridicule because that's a key theme that runs through both the UFO field and popular response to any religious claim. As Feynmans says: "Another of the qualities of science is that it teaches the value of rational thought as well as the importance of freedom of thought ; the positive result that come from doubting that the lessons are all true." We should doubt, question and test but not ridicule.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#96

Post by Jetroid »

FeistyOtter wrote: post #64
narrator wrote: post #8

So where does the rubber hit the road? Oh, you saw a UFO flying around, great. Might as well be 1 million lightyears away if they aren't going to give us advanced technology. The first wheel the people of the interior of Papua New Guinea ever saw was on the bottom of a Japanese airplane flying overhead, so there's that. Seriously, we might as well be a primitive tribe in the Amazon seeing an airplane flying overhead…

There is a very deep soviet science-fiction novel by brothers Arkady and Boris Strugatsky: Roadside Picnic. It is relatively unknown in western world, which is very sad since in Russia it is considered one of the pinnacles of Soviet-Russian science fiction works. The plot is as follows: One day, several strange zones appeared in the world, on a line that extends to a star Deneb. The brave 'stalkers' found all sorts o…

I've always loved this book. I still remember the phrase "HAPPINESS FOR EVERYBODY, FREE, AND LET NO ONE LEAVE UNSATISFIED!" to this day.

I think it presents an incredibly realistic view of an ETI visiting this planet, especially if life is common in the universe. They don't come for us; hey are just passing through.

I have to wonder, realistically, how modern governments would respond to such a visitation.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#98

Post by yosito »

dsacco wrote: post #57
brango wrote: post #33

I'm sold on the whole UFO cover-up thing. If you peel back the social ridicule (very successfully induced by US government collaboration with Hollywood) and consider the huge number of circumstantial reports from across the military and non-military it seems pretty clear there's stuff in the skies of non-human origin. Historical art suggests they've been flying for centuries. There's also the publicly acknowledged re…

I’m open minded to what you’re saying, and I agree that dismissing alien contact due to popular zeitgeist is silly. But here’s my problem with what you’re saying: where did they come from then, and how did they get here? Why do we not have any evidence of their planet in any reasonable distance from Earth? Given what we understand about modern physics, we have three conclusions we can arrive at: 1. We fundamentally m…

4. Intelligent life has evolved on Earth, alongside (or before) humans, and has mostly managed to cloak itself from human discovery.

Occam's Razor still suggests #3, but #4 is more likely than #1 and #2.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#99

Post by icc97 »

jl6 wrote: post #82
icc97 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pilot is witnessing it too

Isn’t it in the dark? Isn’t he just witnessing it on the tracking screen?

I'd have thought he's at least verifying that it's not a fly on the lens. I didn't think that pilots would fly completely blind.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

#100

Post by zamalek »

0xFFC wrote: post #86
ohyes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer…

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

> Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?

The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth (there are explanations as to why, such as Earth being the only sinful planet), Jesus has existed in one way or another on every planet with sapient life (this is viewed as heretical by the church) or that the same Jesus visits multiple planets. Some of these religions do not believe that the messiah (there have always been multiple prophets in these religions) has yet arrived. I'm sure that Scientology would feel vindicated, unless ET confirmed that Xenu does not exist.

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