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WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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I wonder what the legal argument is behind this ruling. If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway.

The argument is that WA always told us that they wouldn't share our data. This was a reason people signed up, you can't just "Oops we did it anyway" on so many people. At least not on People who have a government with their best interest in mind.

Corporations are people. Can corporations lie?

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that WA always told us that they wouldn't share our data. This was a reason people signed up, you can't just "Oops we did it anyway" on so many people. At least not on People who have a government with their best interest in mind.

Corporations are people. Can corporations lie?

When a corporation does it, it's called fraud. Securities fraud if it's a public company.

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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» The CNIL said it had repeatedly asked WhatsApp to provide a sample of French users’ data transferred to Facebook but the company had explained it could not do so as it is located in the United States and “it considers that it is only subject to the legislation of this country.” « That's a very interesting quote from Facebook, and explains why the GDPR has a special section explaining that it also applies to foreign…

I am glad as an US company we don't have to comply to the dumb EU cookie laws. Yeah, we know every websites in the world uses cookies. Don't need a modal everywhere.

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Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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post #12

I wonder what the legal argument is behind this ruling. If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway.

The argument is that WA always told us that they wouldn't share our data. This was a reason people signed up, you can't just "Oops we did it anyway" on so many people. At least not on People who have a government with their best interest in mind.

Did WhatsApp charge anything? I thought for contracts you needed some kind of actual dollar amount (even $1) for it to be binding? Is that very US-law specific or am I way off here?

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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So, if you sell products or services in China, you have to comply to all China regulations, not just exports? That doesn't make any sense.

That’s exactly what is happening: Windows 10 "China Edition" or some moves from Apple to comply with Chinese regulations for example. Respecting local regulations is not a mind blowing fact. A foreign company cannot sell heroin in the USA under the pretext it is legal in their country.

So you mean I can't use 's child pornography app in the US?

I know it's an extreme case, but yeah, of course countries expect people who do business in them to respect their laws.

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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I wonder what the legal argument is behind this ruling. If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway.

> If one newspaper acquired another, couldn't the parent then market to the subsidiary's subscribers even if they continued to operate separately? The parent now owns everything anyway. Not in France, personal data is collected with a specified purpose (and bullshit/overly broad "purpose" can get you sued), using said data for other purposes is illegal. You (as a company) never own personal data per-se, you are lent…

I wonder if this means EU users get less creepy specific advertising. I run uBlockOrigin so I don't see many ads, but I've heard cases of Facebook/Adobe/Google algorithms being so good that people see ads for things they've never looked up online, yet talked about out loud (leading many to believe Facebook/Instagram are capturing microphone data).

As a side not, this gets into the whole "Right to be Forgotten" which the EFF is mostly against, since in the EU it can be used by many as a form of censorship.

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that WA always told us that they wouldn't share our data. This was a reason people signed up, you can't just "Oops we did it anyway" on so many people. At least not on People who have a government with their best interest in mind.

Did WhatsApp charge anything? I thought for contracts you needed some kind of actual dollar amount (even $1) for it to be binding? Is that very US-law specific or am I way off here?

It used to be the case. There were yearly subscriptions until some time after Facebook bought the service.

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that WA always told us that they wouldn't share our data. This was a reason people signed up, you can't just "Oops we did it anyway" on so many people. At least not on People who have a government with their best interest in mind.

Did WhatsApp charge anything? I thought for contracts you needed some kind of actual dollar amount (even $1) for it to be binding? Is that very US-law specific or am I way off here?

That's not even a little bit true.

Re: WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by French authorities

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> European data protection authorities can only impose small fines at the moment, but a new EU privacy law entering into force next year will increase fines to up to 4 percent of a company’s global turnover. Would it be 4% of Whatsapp's or FB's revenue?

FB's.
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