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Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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And yet, somehow, black people get killed by police a lot more than poor white people.

Are you sure? This study shows that whites are actually killed at a higher rate: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a...

Read that study carefully. It may not say what you think it says. The rate for whites is higher but only when counting from a stop already being initiated. Stops are initiated on minorities at tremendously higher rates. Comparing the two outcomes is really tricky.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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That's some nice bigotry you are trying to stir up there, buddy. Go back under the alt-right bridge you live in.

We've banned that other account (and several related accounts) for trolling. But your comment badly breaks the site guidelines too. Please read them and you'll see that they ask you not to feed trolls, but instead to flag egregious comments. Also, would you please stop using HN for ideological battle? You've done this many times and it's against both the guidelines and the spirit of this site. And we've had to ask yo…

I’ll be happy to remove this comment as it was just a red flag for other people to ignore an account that had been create ~30 minutes prior to posting that one comment. That said, while I do defend my ideas, I’ve tried to keep my comments as civil as possible and about methodology/lack of scientific rigor, rather than purely ideological. I see many people make completely unfounded claims without providing a single shred of scientific proof or critical process used to arrive to their conclusion. Will they be warned too?

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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It is pretty dire when you have a system that incentivized throwing the book at those near the poverty line, so that private prisons could continue to grow. It is crony capitalism, plain and simple.

I'm against the idea of private run prisons, it seems like something that should be the purview of the state given the lack of legitimate competition, market fundamentals, and ethical considerations. But that said, is there any real data to support this claim you're making that private prisons incentivizes harsher sentencing of poor people? Besides maybe one or two "bad eggs" stories about judges. ie, data showing a…

?but I really don't see how private prisons could influence criminal justice system at the other end.

Then you aren't paying attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

>Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were convicted of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit youth centers for the detention of juveniles, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh adjudications on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of residents in the centers.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The difference is very stark. Check it out at the Dot Project (turn on the overlay in the lower left). https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/index.html That line between green and blue between Warren and Detroit is 8 Mile Road, and yes the split between the south and north sides really is that stark. Wayne County extends west to Livonia and Plymouth, which is a white, affluent, low-crime area. And south through a…

> It's completely believable to me that a random, non-discriminatory processing of rape kits would result in 86% of untested kits coming from people of color on that map.

While you're couching this as hypothetical - this is in direct contradiction to what the prosecutor said as well as her experiences.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

This is a good case of how two important ideas are being conflated to the detriment of the larger lesson to be learned, I think. As far as I can tell, Prosecutor Worthy is making two arguments: (1) Black (assume PoC approx. equals black in this context) rape victims are treated differently than white ones. She bases this on the fact that 86% of unsolved victim cases are from black people (compared to ~40% of the popu…

> She bases this on the fact that 86% of unsolved victim cases are from black people

You're misrepresenting what she said - she explicitly called out class (not just race) and it you're agreeing with here. Her full quote is:

> can use Detroit as an example, 86% of our victims in these untested kits are people of color. You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it, but I've seen it throughout my career and I know it's true ... It's just true. ... Race is at the center of this in many ways as well, unfortunately, we know that across the criminal justice

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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I would like to see all children get the message. I certainly raised my two adult sons exactly like that. The problem with your theory is that it is incredibly disempowering for women. I see this over and over and over. Everyone wants to cure "rape culture" for just one half of the equation. I don't think that works.

I think we should try it? Teaching daughters to be responsible for not getting sexually assaulyed implicitly communicates that men are not responsible. It can easily be interpreted as victim-blaming. Can you elaborate about how teaching sons not to sexually assault people is disempowering to women? I need help understanding female empowerment.

Teaching daughters to be responsible for not getting sexually assaulted implicitly communicates that men are not responsible. It can easily be interpreted as victim-blaming.

That view grows out of our current mental models. Those mental models are the crux of the problem. Protecting yourself from criminal intent in no way absolves the criminal of guilt.

We don't draw that conclusion about any other crime. We don't tell people that thieves are not guilty of a crime if you failed to lock your house. We still encourage people to lock up to protect themselves from robbers while not thinking this somehow makes it your fault if the house gets broken into.

If you run into a bear in the woods and you run from it, it will incite the bear's chase instinct and get you mauled. Teaching people best practices for how to reduce the odds of getting mauled if they run into a bear is not saying it is their fault. Refusing to teach them how to effectively handle it because girls shouldn't know such things means girls will either not go out into the world or they will routinely get mauled. Both of those outcomes are harmful to the lives of girls. Neither one gives girls full lives end par with the guys.

There will always be predators. You will never achieve a perfect world. Not arming women to cope effectively with that reality essentially dooms them to sooner or later get preyed upon.

It also actively teaches them to be prey. But that's a nuanced discussion you are probably not ready for and I am not super awake either, so not really up for anything that challenging.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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It is not quite this dire, there are very competent public prosecutors and defenders. The problem is we accept the wealthy can obtain better and more lawyers, and effectively buy more or better justice as they define it. It's a classist system where justice is treated as a product rather than exclusively as a right.

Justice doesn't just come in form of public defenders. I lived in Chicago and had my car improperly towed to the yards. Being a rich computer dork, I could take the time off when the yards were open to go retrieve it. It was only PoC for the entire 3 hours it took me to pay the fine and get my vehicle back, during the day, when anyone with a job would be required to pick up their vehicle. My job says OK when I tell t…

Sounds like a culture that has embraced Stockholm syndrome. $1700 to get a car out of impound when there was no crime, and yet the people who are getting shot aren't the people who enabled and profit off such an obviously corrupt system.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Are you sure? This study shows that whites are actually killed at a higher rate: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a...

Read that study carefully. It may not say what you think it says. The rate for whites is higher but only when counting from a stop already being initiated. Stops are initiated on minorities at tremendously higher rates. Comparing the two outcomes is really tricky.

>The rate for whites is higher but only when counting from a stop already being initiated.

Of course. You consider people who interact with police. Some old lady obviously shouldn't be included in the data.

>Stops are initiated on minorities at tremendously higher rates.

Blacks and latinos commit crimes at higher rates than whites and asians.

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