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Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by raverbashing »

realusername wrote: post #78
t0mas88 wrote: post #25

Flying a lot around Europe I'm always surprised by how full the British side of things fills a wineglass :-) 125 ml is normal in the majority of places, 180 ml is a British glass of wine. The article is from the UK... But both 125 and 180 ml servings are considerably less than the size of the glass, so the article title is at best clickbaity. The glass got bigger but nobody is pouring 7x as much wine per serving as b…

And also in the UK, they generally pour your wine glass up to the top (no idea why) whereas in France it's always served with about a 1/4 of the glass.

Weird, I haven't been to those places

Most places (bars), they fill a standard measure and pour that onto the glass, which fill it up to the aforementioned 1/4th of the glass

Or they give you a standard small wine bottle

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by Symbiote »

esmi wrote: post #35

http://www.delish.com/food/news/a39120/super-sized-beverages... "For 25 years, a 26-ounce drink was the biggest soda a person could buy. Then in 1980, a shift occurred when 7-Eleven began its Big Gulp campaign. Big Gulp fountain drink cup sizes steadily rose throughout the decade and beyond, beginning at 32 ounces in 1980, then climbing to 44 ounces in 1986, 64 ounces in 1989, and a behemoth 128 ounces in 2006. Calle…

For those outside the US, like me:

26oz ≈ 769mL

32oz ≈ 946mL

44oz ≈ 1301mL

64oz ≈ 1893mL

128oz ≈ 3785mL

In America, are these labelled as multiple servings? Even a 500mL bottle of cola in Europe is labelled as two 250mL servings.

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by Symbiote »

realusername wrote: post #78
t0mas88 wrote: post #25

Flying a lot around Europe I'm always surprised by how full the British side of things fills a wineglass :-) 125 ml is normal in the majority of places, 180 ml is a British glass of wine. The article is from the UK... But both 125 and 180 ml servings are considerably less than the size of the glass, so the article title is at best clickbaity. The glass got bigger but nobody is pouring 7x as much wine per serving as b…

And also in the UK, they generally pour your wine glass up to the top (no idea why) whereas in France it's always served with about a 1/4 of the glass.

That depends on the quality of the place.

An average pub might choose these glasses with the legal markings at 125, 175 and 250mL, which probably makes the 250mL serving seem quite full.

A nicer place will have larger glasses, or serve the smaller amount.

http://www.drinkstuff.com/products/product.asp?ID=21754&catI...

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by abalone »

r00fus wrote: post #51
abalone wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article misquotes its source. The study states "wine is increasingly served in 250 mL servings" (emphasis mine), not that the average pour size has become 250ml! 250ml is a typical carafe size. Carafes are a more common way to serve wine in Europe, compared to ordering two separate glasses.

Carafes are usually house wine though. Hard to get carafe sizing for a higher end wine.

Even if true, this does not support the claim that Britains consume significantly more wine than in 1700. (Which may be true but it’s not supported.) If anything it would suggest that higher end wine is sold by the glass or bottle... again the source does not claim otherwise.

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by fredsted »

wahern wrote: post #49
lqet wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I thought. I regularly enjoy a "modern" glass of wine, but for port wine, even a full shot glass is too much for me. It's just so heavy and sweet. The glasses depicted in the article seem to hold exactly the amount of port I would be able to comfortably drink in 10-20 minutes.

Have you tried a Sercial or Verdelho Madeira? Almost all Madeira sold is Malmsey, which is the sweetest. You'll sometimes find bottles of the Boal style, the next sweetest, sold as a digestif if the restaurant is a little more discerning. But the best styles, IMO, are Sercial and Verdelho. Sercial is dry and Verdelho medium-dry[1], IMO have more fascinating flavors, and tend to be more acidic than the sweeter styles,…

I love that on HN someone always is an expert in the topic at hand and can provide some interesting knowledge. Thanks!

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by jasonkester »

To me, this indicates that the pattern of wine drinking has changed over the years, not the quantity.

"A glass of wine with you, sir" was a friendly thing to say at the table, and resulted in both parties filling and downing an entire glass. The small glasses seem to be a way of carrying that on over the course of a large meal with a dozen people without any of them actually dying.

Accounts of those meals also talk of going through around 2 bottles of wine per participant. In the article photo, the bottle looks about the same as it does today.

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by makesthingspos »

Symbiote wrote: post #82
esmi wrote: post #35

http://www.delish.com/food/news/a39120/super-sized-beverages... "For 25 years, a 26-ounce drink was the biggest soda a person could buy. Then in 1980, a shift occurred when 7-Eleven began its Big Gulp campaign. Big Gulp fountain drink cup sizes steadily rose throughout the decade and beyond, beginning at 32 ounces in 1980, then climbing to 44 ounces in 1986, 64 ounces in 1989, and a behemoth 128 ounces in 2006. Calle…

For those outside the US, like me: 26oz ≈ 769mL 32oz ≈ 946mL 44oz ≈ 1301mL 64oz ≈ 1893mL 128oz ≈ 3785mL In America, are these labelled as multiple servings? Even a 500mL bottle of cola in Europe is labelled as two 250mL servings.

These cups are not usually labeled with serving information. They don't, for example, have how many calories are in them because they can be filled with a variety of different sodas (some zero calorie).

FWIW, from my perception, the 128 oz is very rare, 64 oz is fairly common but a small percent of sales, and 44 oz is very common. (edit: these are for convenience stores like 7-11, not restaurants etc where sizes are much smaller)

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

#88

Post by abalone »

esmi wrote: post #35

http://www.delish.com/food/news/a39120/super-sized-beverages... "For 25 years, a 26-ounce drink was the biggest soda a person could buy. Then in 1980, a shift occurred when 7-Eleven began its Big Gulp campaign. Big Gulp fountain drink cup sizes steadily rose throughout the decade and beyond, beginning at 32 ounces in 1980, then climbing to 44 ounces in 1986, 64 ounces in 1989, and a behemoth 128 ounces in 2006. Calle…

This is humorous but really not a useful or appropriate analogy for alocohol consumption. That is more about diabetes than alocoholism.

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by abalone »

realusername wrote: post #78
t0mas88 wrote: post #25

Flying a lot around Europe I'm always surprised by how full the British side of things fills a wineglass :-) 125 ml is normal in the majority of places, 180 ml is a British glass of wine. The article is from the UK... But both 125 and 180 ml servings are considerably less than the size of the glass, so the article title is at best clickbaity. The glass got bigger but nobody is pouring 7x as much wine per serving as b…

And also in the UK, they generally pour your wine glass up to the top (no idea why) whereas in France it's always served with about a 1/4 of the glass.

In the U.S. it’s kind of a joke. Bartenders will tease that a typical globe can in fact hold 20oz of wine, almost an entire bottle. You might not think so looking at it. So when you ask for a “half glass”, it’s a joke.

But very few would actually pour 20oz. The globe is designed to be filled only partially, to allow aeration.

Re: Since 1700, Wine Glasses Have Gotten 7 Times Bigger

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Post by robin_reala »

oh_sigh wrote: post #76
excitom wrote: post #14

Back in the day a Royal Navy sailor's daily ration of beer was a gallon, or a half pint of 115 proof rum. I don't think the dainty wineglasses are a good indication of volume consumed.

The beer doesn't even count, as it was fortified with lime and was essentially water. The half pint(can we just say 'cup' now?) of rum is equal to about 5 shots worth. Not really enough to get any sailor shitfaced, but enough to take the edge off of a long shift of physical labor in a very harsh, unforgiving environment.

Cup doesn’t exist in British measures, pint fractions or ml better.
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