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Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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The kits were from 1984 to 2009. It sounds like cases were being marked closed (usually incorrectly) before the kits were processed and the DNA added to the database. Thus, the kits were tossed into storage. For background, this is Detroit. Wayne County, in which this happened, is demographically more than 40% Black. From the article “86% of our victims in these untested kits are people of color.“ The city government…

I grew up in a suburb of Detroit, in Wayne County. What I recall is that there was practically an ongoing blood feud between Detroit, the county, and the state. Racism may not have been the only factor, but it was a decisive factor. I couldn't make sense of it at the time, being just a kid, but I think it might still be hard to make sense of today.

I certainly don't want to make any excuses for what happened, but one question that crosses my mind is: Did Detroit have any money to investigate these crimes, even if they had wanted to?

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This is a problem that crosses socio-ethnic boundaries as well, unfortunately. Not that I mean to minimize the historic and ongoing mistreatment of minority crime victims... Austin Texas -a predominantly white and affluent city- has a terrible history of mistreatment of rape kits, 850 in this case: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/city-memo-mold-found-con...

Austin has plenty of poor people, and the white population is somewhat under 50 percent - 47 according to recent estimates. Hispanic population is about 36%. Keep in mind Austin is the core downtown city, and if you’re thinking of affluence and whiteness, you might be thinking of the suburbs. It’s possible that economically disadvantaged nonwhite people maybe disproportionately represented among rape victims, also th…

The wealthiest part of Austin, Westlake, barely 5 minutes from downtown, isn't even officially part of Austin.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Austin has plenty of poor people, and the white population is somewhat under 50 percent - 47 according to recent estimates. Hispanic population is about 36%. Keep in mind Austin is the core downtown city, and if you’re thinking of affluence and whiteness, you might be thinking of the suburbs. It’s possible that economically disadvantaged nonwhite people maybe disproportionately represented among rape victims, also th…

> also there exists a possibility that there is economic or racial bias in the processing of rape kits. There were 11,000 untested rape kits over 2 decades. This hardly sounds like a mistake related to some bias. There is obviously a much bigger issue here, it wasn't individual cases being ignored based on some parameters.

I don't see how you figure. State and local governments can and do fail to provide services to neighborhoods or towns, and often the places they fail to serve tend to be poor and majority-minority. Or they could just systemically fail to pursue rapists if the victim fit certain criteria and easily achieve these numbers (the latter is what's suggested in the interview):

> Q: All the things you were talking about, the better tracking system, the new guidelines for when rape kits get tested ... in the National Institute of Justice report on the backlog (by Michigan State University Professor Rebecca Campbell), the big takeaway there was that too often, officers didn't believe victims, and had used disbelief as a way to triage their workload.

> A: They just closed cases, even cases where I think they believed the victim ... They closed cases because the women had worked as prostitutes or had mental illness issues or had substance abuse. Didn't believe them, didn't care, and this was one issue that led to the backlog of these kits.

> Q: That's something we look for in certain victims — when the victim is a teenage boy of color, or a woman who has been raped, we want them to be perfect. They can't have had a drink or have worked as a prostitute, and if they have, there's a mindset that makes them almost ineligible to be a victim.

> A: One of the reasons we have these untested rape kits ... and I can use Detroit as an example, 86% of our victims in these untested kits are people of color. You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it, but I've seen it throughout my career and I know it's true ... It's just true. ... Race is at the center of this in many ways as well, unfortunately, we know that across the criminal justice system. ...

> The training aspect is a huge aspect that can turn around this issue. If we cannot treat our sexual assault victims right, especially if justice has been denied to them for so many years, we certainly want to be able to treat our current survivors properly. As you well know, culture change is the hardest kind of change to make.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

This is a good case of how two important ideas are being conflated to the detriment of the larger lesson to be learned, I think. As far as I can tell, Prosecutor Worthy is making two arguments: (1) Black (assume PoC approx. equals black in this context) rape victims are treated differently than white ones. She bases this on the fact that 86% of unsolved victim cases are from black people (compared to ~40% of the popu…

I agree with you to a point, but what I would say to you is this: even before we take outright racism into account, poverty is highly racialized (that is to say, you can guess a person's socioeconomic status with much better accuracy than chance with no other information than the person's race), and a stranger might take a black person for someone of lower socio-economic status even if he actually isn't such a person. Stories like Henry Louis Gates' arrest may get disproportionate attention (some of the uproar seemed to make an unseemly argument -- not that, in general, the police shouldn't arrest a man trying to enter his own home, but rather that a Harvard professor shouldn't be subject to that treatment), but they do illustrate this latter point.

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> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

It's not about people trying to hide anything. Or about one particular country. You can't shame or guilt trip people into doing the right thing. It never works. You can either pay them or reprogramming their minds. And both those routes are hard and takes generations of sustained work.

> You can't shame or guilt trip people into doing the right thing. It never works.

I don't know that I'd say that.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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> Detroit, once the largest city in the US Not even close. At its peak, in 1950, it had 1.6M to New York's 7.8M. BTW Wikipedia has various "Demographic history of" pages to satisfy your curiosity.

This is nitpicking. The point is, Wayne county has a really really large population — this isn't some random rural county.

I'm not sure being called out for claiming that Detroit was once the largest city in the United States is "nitpicking." That's just a factually wrong statement, and as a Detroit native, sets up a narrative (unintentionally, I'm guessing) that we fell from grace even harder than we did. "Detroit was once larger than New York City" is an implied claim that would unjustly amplify the collapse of Detroit to an audience that doesn't know better, particularly internationally. We fell, but not that hard.

I understood your underlying point, but I don't think the correction is attempting to nitpick you, just striving for accuracy.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Austin has plenty of poor people, and the white population is somewhat under 50 percent - 47 according to recent estimates. Hispanic population is about 36%. Keep in mind Austin is the core downtown city, and if you’re thinking of affluence and whiteness, you might be thinking of the suburbs. It’s possible that economically disadvantaged nonwhite people maybe disproportionately represented among rape victims, also th…

> also there exists a possibility that there is economic or racial bias in the processing of rape kits. There were 11,000 untested rape kits over 2 decades. This hardly sounds like a mistake related to some bias. There is obviously a much bigger issue here, it wasn't individual cases being ignored based on some parameters.

Then that bigger issue applies to Memphis and Los Angeles, too, both of which had a larger backlog than Detroit. Safer to say that bias and resources are primary causes, since the subtext of what you're saying is that something is "going on" in Detroit.

http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/where-backlog-exists-an...

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

I'm Canadian and one of my friends ventured out to Boston and saw how racially and economically divided the place was. Like it was too apparent which neighborhoods were black and which were white...which is shocking for us since this is a side of America we never saw before

I remember learning about American history in HS very well, used to study the classics like Kill a Mockingbird, Mississippi Burning, etc. I remember them because the depiction of abuse against blacks were particularly cruel and rage inducing.

Then you read article like this and realize the apartheid never really died, it just became far more covert and systematic.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

The biggest shock to me is the security apparatus that have worked in the background to literally exterminate the black population. Iran-Contra affair have demonized and destroyed the seemingly up and coming African American demographic with a dangerously addictive drug.

Finally, we have today. Things haven't changed, African Americans are really at the mercy of "White" America as it slowly rears its ugly head with Trump in charge.

All in all, I am observing "Neo-Apartheid", except now it's not about drugs to go after and disrupt, it's through economic exclusion, forcing people on the fringes to finally turn to criminal activities and nailing them to private prisons. Studies have shown if you incarcerate a family member, it spreads almost like an infection.

This all sounds ominous and negative but I do feel there is a very strong liberal voice for justice, and articles like this that uncover inconvenient truths seem on the rise, perhaps giving hope....but the cynic in me says the economic gap is just too wide...the communal infrastructure is broken in the ghettos that spiral into drug economies. You will see a few rising stars as "model minority"...like giving out fucking gold stars in kindergarten

I don't know I'm sickened by the systematic level in which the pigment in your skin should determine your level of economic participation, often reinforced through stereotypes that arose out of previous generations.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The difference is very stark. Check it out at the Dot Project (turn on the overlay in the lower left). https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/index.html That line between green and blue between Warren and Detroit is 8 Mile Road, and yes the split between the south and north sides really is that stark. Wayne County extends west to Livonia and Plymouth, which is a white, affluent, low-crime area. And south through a…

but north of 8 mile is not Wayne County.

You have to look west and south of detroit to see wayne county that isn't detroit

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