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Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by krapp »

guelo wrote: post #57
md224 wrote: post #49

A general observation about online comments: when I read an article online and want to know what other people are saying about it, I have no easy & simple way to do so. If your blog has a comments section, that's great, but what about all the other platforms that people discuss things on? (Twitter and Reddit [and of course HN!] come to mind.) I would love to see a comments system that provided insight into commentary…

Because the web has devolved into a bunch of walled gardens that try to sell their user bases to advertisers.

No it hasn't. Those walled gardens still comprise a miniscule amount of the actual content on the web. In fact many are link aggregators and depend the existence of content beyond the walled garden to survive.

Nothing has devolved except the willingness of users to explore to find new content. But that's not because it no longer exists, but because for the most part new content is delivered to them.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by nkkollaw »

noncoml wrote: post #52
nkkollaw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? You leave a comment on a website, the websites stores it, it's the websites data.

You are happy with Gmail owning all your emails then?

I'm not talking about ownership, I'm talking about storage of data.

I wouldn't be happy if Google owned my emails, but I'm happy they store them so that I don't have to run a server in my kitchen.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by ehnto »

guelo wrote: post #57
md224 wrote: post #49

A general observation about online comments: when I read an article online and want to know what other people are saying about it, I have no easy & simple way to do so. If your blog has a comments section, that's great, but what about all the other platforms that people discuss things on? (Twitter and Reddit [and of course HN!] come to mind.) I would love to see a comments system that provided insight into commentary…

Because the web has devolved into a bunch of walled gardens that try to sell their user bases to advertisers.

I think it's okay that the web has different communities on it. The web has grown in population at a staggering rate, if we had the same system we used to have of public boards that would be full to the brim and people would be seeking quieter spots anyway.

I don't like the idea of walled gardens for advertising at all mind you. But different communities, some of them private, makes total sense for such a large population.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by misnamed »

cosarara97 wrote: post #44
misnamed wrote: post #43

Why not remove comments entirely? Most people engage on secondary platforms (twitter, facebook) anyway, and most comments are garbage in my experience. Ironically, while trying to post this comment I got ... Bad gateway: The web server reported a bad gateway error.

The author can't read the comments if people only make them on other platforms.

In most cases on twitter/facebook, the author's official account post is going to be the main area for discussion. For places like here or reddit, alerts are an option.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by eref »

md224 wrote: post #49

A general observation about online comments: when I read an article online and want to know what other people are saying about it, I have no easy & simple way to do so. If your blog has a comments section, that's great, but what about all the other platforms that people discuss things on? (Twitter and Reddit [and of course HN!] come to mind.) I would love to see a comments system that provided insight into commentary…

For me on Firefox on macOS that is just a couple of key strokes away:

  cmd-l cmd-c ctrl-a r  u r l :  cmd-t cmd-v ctrl-a h n
I have set up `r` as keyword to search on Reddit and `hn` to search on Hacker News [1]. `url:` is the Reddit keyword to search in the url field of the items. (In Firefox, you can right click any search field and add a keyword bookmark for it.)

[1] https://hn.algolia.com

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by taitems »

md224 wrote: post #49

A general observation about online comments: when I read an article online and want to know what other people are saying about it, I have no easy & simple way to do so. If your blog has a comments section, that's great, but what about all the other platforms that people discuss things on? (Twitter and Reddit [and of course HN!] come to mind.) I would love to see a comments system that provided insight into commentary…

I had a go at building this general idea as a browser extension about 5 years ago, but abandoned it as writing browser extensions is a pretty fragmented, horrible experience. The general idea was take the current page URL, hit Reddit/HN various APIs and coalesce various posts (multiple for Reddit) and single HN instances (perhaps with and without hashes, "?new" and other reposting conventions).

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by godot »

styfle wrote: post #60
md224 wrote: post #49

A general observation about online comments: when I read an article online and want to know what other people are saying about it, I have no easy & simple way to do so. If your blog has a comments section, that's great, but what about all the other platforms that people discuss things on? (Twitter and Reddit [and of course HN!] come to mind.) I would love to see a comments system that provided insight into commentary…

I cross post to medium from my blog. I figure if people want to comment, they can do it there. Here's an example of the original[0] and the copy[1]. [0]: https://www.ceriously.com/blog/post.php?id=2017-10-16-es6-mo... [1]: https://medium.com/@styfle/22969cd360f0/ Medium allows you to import pretty easily and sets the canonical URL so Google (hopefully) won't get confused with duplicate content.

Didn't know Medium supported a canonical url to point somewhere else. Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, I think a comment system is one of the things Medium does poorly (I actually like Medium a lot in terms of other aspects, unlike most of HN it seems). They seemed to try to re-use their regular post system too much for commenting and each comment is like its own post, making a threaded discussion almost impossible to be had or read.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by ChuckMcM »

It is an interesting comment on the state of commenting. Gardening the comments section is a lot of work and not something people want to spend their time on (the Blekko blog would get hundreds of spam comment attempts every day!).

That makes me wonder if there is also an opportunity for a 'meta comment' section which pulls comments from web sites like HN, Reddit, or Slashdot and puts them below the blog / article that they are related to. You could set an arbitrary vote level cutoff limit.

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by tomcam »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #68

It is an interesting comment on the state of commenting. Gardening the comments section is a lot of work and not something people want to spend their time on (the Blekko blog would get hundreds of spam comment attempts every day!). That makes me wonder if there is also an opportunity for a 'meta comment' section which pulls comments from web sites like HN, Reddit, or Slashdot and puts them below the blog / article th…

So HN pays dang to curate, then ChucksCommentScraper.io appropriates that content for free?

Re: Moving from Disqus to Schnack

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Post by styfle »

godot wrote: post #67
styfle wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cross post to medium from my blog. I figure if people want to comment, they can do it there. Here's an example of the original[0] and the copy[1]. [0]: https://www.ceriously.com/blog/post.php?id=2017-10-16-es6-mo... [1]: https://medium.com/@styfle/22969cd360f0/ Medium allows you to import pretty easily and sets the canonical URL so Google (hopefully) won't get confused with duplicate content.

Didn't know Medium supported a canonical url to point somewhere else. Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, I think a comment system is one of the things Medium does poorly (I actually like Medium a lot in terms of other aspects, unlike most of HN it seems). They seemed to try to re-use their regular post system too much for commenting and each comment is like its own post, making a threaded discussion almost…

Yeah, I have a love-hate relationship with Medium.

The fact that every comment is another "article" is bizarre. Also, comments have become increasingly hidden behind suggested articles and require a click to load.

But I like that you can highlight a word or sentence and comment on that. The clapping thing is kind of interesting because you can give more "internet points" to better articles.

The one thing that Medium is great at is getting an article into the eyes of the people who want to read it, which is something that my personal blog will not do.

Also, there is something nice about consistent look n' feel with the same font when reading blog posts, so someone who is used to medium might be more likely to click on a medium.com link than a ceriously.com link.

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