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Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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Tipping is part of Uber now? That was what I liked about it! Did they at least lower the base rate to compensate?

its more expensive than ever. i refuse to tip via uber (of course I get downvoted by the driver due to tip extortion). Screw uber!

I am not sure Uber drivers are allowed to see how much you have tipped, or are they?

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Yes, digicash (more properly called "ecash" among researchers) is useful in every example you listed: it is anonymous and supports offline payments (i.e. direct payments between two parties).

Normal cash is also much easier to use, doesn't rely on any software needing to be installed (or a computer/network access in general) and offers a decent amount of deniable plausability too. Why the obsession with replacing everything with technology when sometimes the old system works fine?

Cash cannot be used to pay websites/etc., and having a single method of paying is more convenient than having two methods. So the growth of online ordering essentially pushes people to use electronic payments of some kind, and as the number of online purchases increases so does the pressure to use electronic payments generally. Don't confuse ease-of-use in specific situations with ease-of-use generally.

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Because that would cost the companies more and they're happy to get away with paying less. It's really not a mystery.

I wish there was a list of Bay Area restaurants that don't require tipping. I discovered one last Friday and look forward to returning for the good food, service, and fair wages.

Kebabery in Oakland is great

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Its time to pay people a living wage, and stop the tipping culture. I hate carrying cash, and It bothers me that I have to carry $1 bills for the tipping extortion. Im resentful that I have to pay for things as well as bribe the workers. Its disgusting.

> I hate carrying cash, and It bothers me that I have to carry $1 bills for the tipping extortion. I don't carry cash either, but I just tip with a credit card. If you don't accept tips with card, you don't get tipped. 90% of the time, there's a tip line on the credit card receipt. But I do agree that we need to increase wages and kill tipping culture.

That doesn't help the people that this article is about, like doormen.

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My ability to choose whether to tip less for bad service is a way to encourage servers to give good service. My experience traveling is that places like France with legally mandated tip amounts have very inconsistent service quality. It can be good, but it can also be very bad. And when a server decides to make your service bad, there is nothing that you can really do about it and nobody will care.

That's the theory but studies haven't found that tips improve service. (pdfs): http://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic... http://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic... There are also issues where tipping can be biased due to racial or gender discrimination. Racial discrimination (I don't have a gender study handy): https://psmag.com/economics/racism-black-restaurant-waiters-...

Harassment is definitely a huge issue: there are tons of sleazy men who will harass wait staff secure in the knowledge that while their behavior is technically illegal most tipped employees are going to put up with it rather than miss on a big chunk of their income.

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Do people not carry cash? Maybe the types who have an apartment with a doorman in Manhattan don't. But I (a "millenial") often go to bars and restaurants that are cash only. Eventually, I found it was easier keep budget my "entertainment" in cash. Visually being able to see how much I have, how much I'm taking out helps. Being able to see that amount grow if I'm frugal one month feels good too. I have friends who cla…

I try to have cash, but honestly another trip to an ATM is just something that falls out of my daily schedule.

So yeah, I support cash transactions (and spend cash as a way to give the restaurant I like a way to avoid CC fees) but very often I don't have any or enough, and need to use CC.

Cash is easier to split, too unless you want to use Venmo or something (does everyone have Venmo?).

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Do people not carry cash? Maybe the types who have an apartment with a doorman in Manhattan don't. But I (a "millenial") often go to bars and restaurants that are cash only. Eventually, I found it was easier keep budget my "entertainment" in cash. Visually being able to see how much I have, how much I'm taking out helps. Being able to see that amount grow if I'm frugal one month feels good too. I have friends who cla…

I carry cash, but very rarely use it, so my wallet has $20s, $50s, and a $100 or two. Too much for a tip, unless it's for dining out. I still try to tip waiters and bartenders cash.

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That may be. But it is still incredibly frustrating to have to reward the waiter for a terrible experience and literally have nothing that you can do about it. That said, if Trump's proposed revision of regulations around tipping go through, I'm going to probably greatly cut back on tipping. It is one thing to reward the waiter. It is quite another to believe that the money is going to the owner of the restaurant.

"My steak arrived cold? Try paying your rent this month now!" Unless you are an uncaring psychopath you should pay servers in the US for bad service as well - everyone should be paid for the labor they do. If they aren't doing an adequate job they should be reprimanded or fired. That's not your job though, that's their boss's job. You don't know if they are just having an off day or the problem you had was caused by…

It’s also the boss’s job to pay them. So why do I have to pay for the cold steak, and then pay the restaurant’s employee? That is not my job.

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Maybe we should not have tips? There is no actual need or advantage to giving people tips, and there are plenty of countries where tipping is not common (including some where cash is still favored over electronic payments). Why not just pay people a fair wage that they can live on?

The biggest hurdle to move away from tipping is that the people that get screwed by the tipping culture are the first one to want to stay in it.

They are also the first ones to moralize people about how tipping is a must and if you don't tip, that poor waiter will be unable to make a living.

NO! The ones that get away easy in this whole scheme are the owners that have now no responsibility to pay their employees correctly.

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Tipping is part of Uber now? That was what I liked about it! Did they at least lower the base rate to compensate?

its more expensive than ever. i refuse to tip via uber (of course I get downvoted by the driver due to tip extortion). Screw uber!

You can't get downvoted by drivers for refusing to tip. They don't find out if you tipped until after they've rated you, unless you actually tell them, "I'm not tipping you."
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