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Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

My "line of reasoning" is a simple statement of fact since there's quibbling about demographic percentages. I made no claims about where or who, any claims about rape. Maybe you should learn not to make assumptions.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#102
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Insane. I'm definitely not a tough on crime kind of person, but these are people who are unfit to live in society. There should be no rehabilitation for these people. I hate to say it, but lock them up and throw away the key.

Based on your statements here it doesn’t seem like you hate to say it. Why should there be no rehabilitation for this crime? If it is possible to fix these thoroughly broken people, why not do it?

It's the second time rape is evoqued in two days, so i'll add my personnal anecdote. Both my parents were social workers, my mother as a psychologist, my dad as youth camp director (Not a summer youth camp, more like a permanent youth camp that help children (6-15) with difficulties manage their homework, organize football/basketball tournament after school...)). This line of work made them befriend a huge variety of people, especially a prison counselor and a judge specialized in minor protection.

Well, the discussions when they came home were "fun". One of those discussion was about a young man who raped a young girl. The judge said something like "it's the first time i felt guilt and compassion from a rapist". It was disturbing, so i asked her to tell me a little more than this, and she told me that at most, rapists regrets being caught, regret "not being able to control themselves" but she can never feel sentiment over the victim except jealousy. The prison counselor and my mother agreed, and my mother even said that the boy might be either a really good faker, either an extreme case. Later i learned that the boy had a schizophrenic episode and was send to a mental hospital rather than prison (as he should).

I have nothing to conclude this, but i do think personnally than most rapist should be on watch after a prosecution, and should be really costly. I don't think they can reform, and the only way second crime to be safe from them is to take them out of the society (aka long prison time).

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#103
post #98

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The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

Why is this being downvoted?

Unnecessary condescending tone regardless of information delivery attempted if I had to hazard a guess.

> The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit

@AdjustYourWrld: Educate us! Citations please! We are all here to learn and indulge our curiosity.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#104
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

Why is this being downvoted?

Likely because it's not civil, in particular "you should learn a little history".

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#105
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> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

In America, justice is only available to those who can afford it. If you can't afford months or years of lawyer's fees and don't have the ability to take time away from your job, family and other daily obligations, you're simply out of luck.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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post #74

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This quote is nonsense. As another commenter noted, the 86% of victims being people of color roughly matches the demographics of the city. As Worthy herself notes there are hundreds of thousands untested rape-kits nationwide, affecting predominantly white areas as well. You can see more stats at http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/where-backlog-exists-an... . The fact that the backlog has grown so large in Detroit (…

I'm not sure why consistency with city demographics should matter. Shouldn't it be aligned with the racial demographics of the typical victim? In Chicago, for instance, 75% of homicide victims are black despite only representing 32% of the population. If a discrepancy that large can exist in homicide data, I'm sure a similar one can be seen for rape in Detroit.

You're right, which is further evidence of the lack of a conspiracy. If we assume that most rapes occur disproportionally in poorer neighborhoods, then 86% of Detroit rapes from 1984-2009 happening to poorer black women sounds quite probable.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#108

My recollection is that it is partly money. They have to make judgement calls on where to spend the money, and someone who has worked as a prostitute is less likely to be a case you can successfully convict, so it gets cut. (Which is then self fulfilling prophecy because without the DNA evidence, it is less likely to get a conviction.) Mariska Hargitay of SVU fame is behind this stuff. I couldn't readily find the blu…

> I couldn't readily find the blurb I was looking for, but found an interview that says there are 175k unprocessed rape kits in the US. not to dismiss that entire number (or even much of it), but it's worth noting that many locales will collect anonymous rape kits. but a rape kit without any kind of identifying information on it is of no evidentiary value (you can't establish chain of custody, and you don't have a vi…

I have done a little googling. I cannot come up with data on what percentage of rape kits are anonymous -- on the other hand, Wikipedia says: Conservative estimates indicate there are 200,000–400,000 untested SAKs in U.S. police departments

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_kit

Anyway, if someone can come up with data as to what percentage are anonymous, I am curious.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#109
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Anyone with any money left as soon as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit#/media/File... Since Detroit has a storied history of racism, most of the poor people who have remained are black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Detroit... The state of public services is bad because there is no money left, not because the place is full of black people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

Everyone with money left well before 1990, the vast majority of white flight took place in the 60s, 70s, and 80s Edit sp332, lol yes 2/3 of the white population remaining in 1990 left after that, the problem with your line of thinking is 86% of the white population had already fled by 1990. 2/3 of 14% is not much...

2/3 of the white population in 1990 has now left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Detroit...

Edit: ok so I don't see where we're disagreeing.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#110

I think the most disturbing thing about this is that there are even 800 serial rapists in one single county, even if it's over a 30-35 year period. That's around 25 serial rapists a year in that one county, which is kind of extraordinary when you think about it. Serial rapists are supposedly incredibly rare. They say that in nearly every case it's someone that the victim knows. This makes me think twice about that. A…

I'd bet most of the serial rapists are also known to their victims. In other words Tinder not trench coats. (Supposition)

Important to get that data so the media don't start parents panicking.

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