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Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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A lot of these jobs that they're bemoaning the loss of tips for, also aren't all that necessary. If establishments want to give off the impression they're upper class, they ought to pay these "professions" considerably more considering they obviously have the money. Otherwise, opening doors and operating elevators are things I'm content to do on my own.

The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. So is the elevator operator to an extent (although that one is really more just for impression of being fancy).

>The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent.

Sounds like a pretty important job. I imagine a building would want to compensate such a person pretty well in order to help keep the building secure and functioning smoothly. As they say, you get what you pay for.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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There is no way we will rid this society of tips. People will need to be paid more to compensate. And not many capitalist want to to give more and earn less. I was just in New York yesterday. Upon seeing the doormen dressed like the guy in Home Alone, I realized that there are people who still want you dressed in a monkey suit for no logical reason. I doubt they're willing to pay them more. I'm certain someone can make the doorman a device that will allow them to easily receive tips via chip card. I've seen boy scouts who use stripe.

On a side note do we even need door men?

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. So is the elevator operator to an extent (although that one is really more just for impression of being fancy).

>Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. Isn't that the job of a receptionist? They should definitely be getting paid more if these are all their responsibility.

Well it used to be that if they grabbed a package for you, you would tip them, so the people who got more packages "paid more" for the service.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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post #7

I've had this problem from the other side. I haven't been to the bank to withdraw cash in years. Usually I got all the cash I needed by splitting bills with friends, where I paid on the card and got cash, or Chinese New Year money. But since having kids (and the invention of Venmo and its ilk), we've stopped going out with friends and splitting checks and when we do it's all digital, and now I have to give the New Ye…

>Also when I get a haircut they give a big discount for cash

“discount” ;) Nice euphemism for tax evasion.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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Tipping is often associated with both corruption and racism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/05/study...

http://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...

I have actually almost entirely stopped using Uber after they made tipping part of the app. I've worked in a place with tipping, and my experience directly corroborates those links.

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post #10
post #5

I've noticed a big drop in panhandlers in cities, recently. Nobody even has cash any more. I wonder what they've been doing instead?

I hope it's because services for them have picked up, funded by both public money and private (digital) donations. But I suspect the real answer is something closer to "starving and dying". :(

I'm aware of donations through apps like GoFundMe, but does there exist any services for making digital donations to homeless people I might encounter on the street? I've thought about how the lack of cash is affecting these people, quite a lot but haven't encountered any solutions.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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post #12

A lot of these jobs that they're bemoaning the loss of tips for, also aren't all that necessary. If establishments want to give off the impression they're upper class, they ought to pay these "professions" considerably more considering they obviously have the money. Otherwise, opening doors and operating elevators are things I'm content to do on my own.

The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. So is the elevator operator to an extent (although that one is really more just for impression of being fancy).

Is security a job that you want compensated mainly by tips?

"Hey, I've never seen you before, what is your business here?"

"That's right, you haven't seen me before." Slips them $100 and walks by.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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Maybe we should not have tips? There is no actual need or advantage to giving people tips, and there are plenty of countries where tipping is not common (including some where cash is still favored over electronic payments). Why not just pay people a fair wage that they can live on?

Well, sure. But that feels like a bit of a dismissal of the issue. New tech has enabled our much more convenient cashless society, but it's left a gaping hole for certain members of that society. It doesn't seem unreasonable that tech might also think about ways to fix that problem too, rather than deferring the awkward stuff to someone/anyone else.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. So is the elevator operator to an extent (although that one is really more just for impression of being fancy).

Is security a job that you want compensated mainly by tips? "Hey, I've never seen you before, what is your business here?" "That's right, you haven't seen me before." Slips them $100 and walks by.

That's pretty obviously not how tips given to doormen work, come on.

Re: Casualties of the Cashless Society: Those Who Get Seasonal Tips

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post #21
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. So is the elevator operator to an extent (although that one is really more just for impression of being fancy).

>The ostensible purpose of the doorman is to add a layer of security. Someone who is always there watching, looking for people who don't belong, receiving packages and securing them, etc. They are basically a crime deterrent. Sounds like a pretty important job. I imagine a building would want to compensate such a person pretty well in order to help keep the building secure and functioning smoothly. As they say, you g…

Door keepers in NYC are actually unionized: http://www.seiu32bj.org/who-we-are/
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