China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
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Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#2The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China.
China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping.
I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#3The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China. China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping. I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#4Business as usual. The real question is why the West sits on its hands.
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#5The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China. China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping. I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
I don't think its that simple and I'm curious what's really up.
I was just in Shanghai, Nanjing, Hangzhou for a week. I purchased a Hong Kong sim for my phone. Google and Facebook were not blocked when using tbat sim but they were blocked on hotel WiFi.
So then trying Google Maps the location was always wrong. So wrong as to be unusable. But, trying Apple Maps it was always correct. It seems like that could only happen by regulation not technical means. The iPhone itself isn't going to give different GPS info depending on which app is running is it ? Which seems to means Google Maps' location is wrong because the Chinese government told Google to make it wrong?
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#6Business as usual. The real question is why the West sits on its hands.
What kind of response would you like to see from the West?
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#7The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China. China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping. I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
Agree. Misleading title. It is not specific to China, by the way. South Korea doesn't like that either. Think of it as a privilege, not a right, just like driving.
https://www.voanews.com/a/google-maps-data-south-korea/36021...
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#8The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China. China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping. I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
I don't think its that simple and I'm curious what's really up. I was just in Shanghai, Nanjing, Hangzhou for a week. I purchased a Hong Kong sim for my phone. Google and Facebook were not blocked when using tbat sim but they were blocked on hotel WiFi. So then trying Google Maps the location was always wrong. So wrong as to be unusable. But, trying Apple Maps it was always correct. It seems like that could only happ…
Google Maps are intentionally offset in China to comply with regulations because the global version doesn't have a license to operate in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Google_Maps_in_Chi...
Apple Maps in China uses Autonavi maps which are licensed by the Chinese government. Note that these maps are different than the maps seen in Apple Maps outside of Mainland China.
Google and Facebook weren't blocked using your Hong Kong sim because roaming sims tunnel data out of the country and connect to the internet there (like a vpn!).
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#9The title implies a bit more than what the article says. Basically China doesn't like their country to be mapped. As a result supposedly it's pretty difficult to use most navigation software (e.g. Google Maps) within China. China is NOT blocking it because it is self-driving (which is what you might assume). China blocks pretty much any mapping. I haven't been to China btw; I'm curious if OpenStreetMap would work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...
As I have occasionally worked with geodetic coordinate conversions in the past, that GCJ-02 datum sounds like an incredibly bad idea.
The worst accidental mistake I have ever made with respect to geodetic coordinates, relating to accumulating floating-point round-off errors, absolutely pales in comparison to the sheer idiocy of introducing errors into your geodetic datum on purpose.
Look, people, satellite photography exists now. That objective reality maps really well onto a coordinate systems based on a smooth ellipsoid. If you intentionally make your domestically-produced map products harder to use for people in your own country, they will buy better maps from other countries. If your goal is to make your 50 most important military assets harder to find, and in the process make it harder to find a billion civilian assets, you're going to lose more money just paying all those delivery drivers to get lost for 20 minutes than it would cost to rebuild those 50 military assets 10 times over.
Re: China Blocks Foreign Companies from Mapping Its Roads for Self-Driving Cars
#10Business as usual. The real question is why the West sits on its hands.
What kind of response would you like to see from the West?
Tit for tat tends to work really well.
The west is in a vastly better position to exploit a trade war with China than China is. Thus, China is more likely to back down when pushed.
Remember, a little give and take keeps players honest. Without that their is not reason for China not to try and bend the rules as much as possible.