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Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by joekrill »

helb wrote: post #5
joekrill wrote: post #2

Always nice to see competition... But I've been poking around this site for a few minutes and I can't find anything convincing me why I would need or even want to use this. There's no real "getting started" guide. No real sense of what an OvertureJS App looks like or why it's better than existing option. There's some vague performance comparisons, but I'm not even sure what exactly is being compared. One comparison i…

There are some examples in their github repo to get an idea what an OvertureJS app looks like: https://github.com/fastmail/overture/tree/master/examples Todo.js seems to be quite amply commented (but yeah, i still don't see why would i want to use it)

Yeah it's got some decent commenting around a good chunk of the functions. But there's no sense of the overall concepts. It looks like there's a "store" and a "view"... there's some "actions", and something called a "source"...

I'm sure if I spent enough time I could figure out what all this stuff does and how it interacts. But I'd need a compelling reason to spend my time to do that in the first place. Why wouldn't I just use something like Angular that provides this kind of information right upfront? Or React+Redux where there are a million guides describing the concepts and how everything fits together?

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by fnl »

StavrosK wrote: post #8
madspindel wrote: post #6

> Overture is a powerful JS library for building really slick web applications, with performance at, or surpassing, native apps. Surpassing native apps? Yeah, right. Edit: Site is working now!

Have you used Fastmail? The UI is definitely on par, and probably faster, than my OS's native apps. I've long wondered how they do that, now I know.

As a FastMail user, I must say the UI startup time is painfully loooong ...

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by [deleted] »

joekrill wrote: post #11
helb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some examples in their github repo to get an idea what an OvertureJS app looks like: https://github.com/fastmail/overture/tree/master/examples Todo.js seems to be quite amply commented (but yeah, i still don't see why would i want to use it)

Yeah it's got some decent commenting around a good chunk of the functions. But there's no sense of the overall concepts. It looks like there's a "store" and a "view"... there's some "actions", and something called a "source"... I'm sure if I spent enough time I could figure out what all this stuff does and how it interacts. But I'd need a compelling reason to spend my time to do that in the first place. Why wouldn't…

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Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by StavrosK »

fnl wrote: post #12
StavrosK wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you used Fastmail? The UI is definitely on par, and probably faster, than my OS's native apps. I've long wondered how they do that, now I know.

As a FastMail user, I must say the UI startup time is painfully loooong ...

It certainly is. At least it's faster than Thunderbird.

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by bigbrooklyn »

I use fastmail, and it's pretty fast. I too have wondered what was under the hood, but I figured it out a while ago [1]. The docs are pretty old, and it could use better examples, but its a solid library. If you look at the code, it won't take long to figure out how everything works. They also open sourced JMAP[2] which is the synchronization protocol they use.

[1] https://blog.fastmail.com/2014/12/20/open-sourcing-overturej...

[2] http://jmap.io/

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by danirod »

Even though I prefer accessing my mail and notes through IMAP, and my calendar, contacts and files through DAV using native apps on my computer and phone, I love using Fastmail's web user interface. It's fast, it's responsive (UI is simplified on mobile but it's still the same design; not an alternative layout) and it looks really good.

Site is down because of bandwidth limits. This is also a Fastmail feature: you can serve a directory uploaded to your file storage through HTTP. Even though there are bandwidth limits, it works as an alternative to GitHub Pages or to just make available some files you want to share with multiple people. However, it seems it doesn't survive a Hacker News hug of death.

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by helb »

madspindel wrote: post #6

> Overture is a powerful JS library for building really slick web applications, with performance at, or surpassing, native apps. Surpassing native apps? Yeah, right. Edit: Site is working now!

> Site is working now!

…aand it's down again. Seems someone or something just increased that "daily limit" from 1000 to 2000 MB …

Re: Overture JS – A powerful basis for building web applications

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Post by Theizestooke »

danirod wrote: post #18

Even though I prefer accessing my mail and notes through IMAP, and my calendar, contacts and files through DAV using native apps on my computer and phone, I love using Fastmail's web user interface. It's fast, it's responsive (UI is simplified on mobile but it's still the same design; not an alternative layout) and it looks really good. Site is down because of bandwidth limits. This is also a Fastmail feature: you ca…

Does it offer encryption features like protonmail or tutanota? I had a free fastmail account for a very long time, but switched once they moved to a pay-only model.

Basically fastmail is ok, but not really worth paying for. The interface isn't revolutionary, but does its job. If you're happy with gmail or whatever web-client you're currently using, you're not missing much.

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