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Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#121

A cover letter is your sales pitch. I've never understood why there is so much instruction in them when all you're doing is trying to sell yourself. Write them a sales letter hyping YOU the programmer.

To a lot of people, selling in general is not second nature, and promoting oneself runs against deeply ingrained social strictures about modesty.

How DOES one hype oneself without being boastful? How DOES one sell without coming across as fake? What things about oneself WOULD the hiring manager find appealing?

These are all questions whose answers are far from obvious to probably the majority of job applicants.

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#122
As a job candidate, I found cover letters helpful. They gave me a chance to explain exactly how my past work experiences and skills would be beneficial to the company.

Now as someone involved in evaluating tech candidates for my company, I find cover letters helpful. First off, it shows that the candidate took additional time to research the company rather than just looking for any job.

Second, I get a better sense of how the candidate's skills fit into the job we are filling. Bullet points on a resume are helpful but leave a lot unexplained. A cover letter can fill that gap.

Third, communication skills are incredibly important on my team. Even in tech jobs, we need to write documentation, email customers, and explain our thought process. Reading a cover letter helps me understand the candidate's writing style better.

Overall, if you are given the change to write a cover letter, write one.

The basic format for a cover letter should be:

- Letter head with your name and contact information

- Date you are applying

- Company's address

- Salutation to the specific hiring manager

- First paragraph explains how you heard about the company, which position you are applying for, and why you are a good fit

- Second paragraph elaborates on a specific tech project that demonstrates that you can do the job well

- Third paragraph explains another reason why you are a good fit for the job. It could be a past tech project you completed, a side project, or something that demonstrates industry knowledge

- Closing paragraph explains how they can contact you and thanks them for reading

- Valediction with your signature and name

There is a good example of a cover letter here: https://www.careerperfect.com/examples/letters/ceo-cover-sam.... (I have no relation to that site and only found it on a Google search now. Trust anything else on that site with a grain of salt.)

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#123
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As a hiring manager, the cover letter was the most important part of the packet that I was given. The resume was pretty meaningless since I've seen plenty of bad candidates with good-looking resumes and vice versa. But the cover letter was a much more reliable signal of a quality candidate. For me, there were two important goals that a cover letter was supposed to accomplish. The first was that the cover letter shoul…

Writing a cover letter doesn't ever take 10 minutes, unless you're sending it in bulk. For me, it takes hours, even days to be happy with the final result and to send it along. Due to this, it really annoys me when I get back a one liner "thanks, but no thanks" reply, but I do understand it's not reasonable to expect more than that from people and I'm grateful when people do bother to send a reply, even if it's just a brief rejection note.

I think people who claim this process takes "10 minutes" haven't needed to write many cover letters...

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#124
Don't waste your time on generic cover letters. If you're going to bother, write a custom letter. Generic rewordings of your resume just waste everyone's time.

In my experience, odds are good your cover letter won't get read or even make it to the right person. So I don't spend too much time writing them. However, a well written cover letter will help you and could be the difference in getting a callback.

My recipe for a cover letter; rewrite their job description with your work experience. Take each bullet point and tie it to something you've done. It shows how your skills fit their needs in a way resumes don't. Bonus if you do some research on the company (something not mentioned in the job description) and also match that to your skills or interest. Also, keep it to less than 1 page.

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

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I repeat parts of their job description and explain why I fulfill it. Example: Job ad says "we look for a proactive and self-reliant person" then my cover letter says "to successfully finish my PhD, being proactive and self-reliant was important". This technique works even better for the technical parts. I'm not sure if it was worth the effort. In the german job market, employers are quite desperate these days. A fri…

I second this approach. Many job ads will have a bulleted list of what they are looking for and responsibilities. Just copy-paste that list and then re-write the bullet points in a way that shows how you have that skill. EXP: - Candidate must have 5 years experience with FooBar - Candidate must have good knowledge of ZooCar Turns into: - Via my 5 years at class/volunteering/job at McEnroeCorp I used FooBar and made F…

I completely agree about applying even if you don't match all of their criteria. A lot of these job postings are a wishlist for candidates and you have no idea what the pool of actual applications look like.

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you live? Would you mind to tell more about you? If you do heavy maths like what you appear to do, I'd suggest you go for a finance company to become a quant.

Well, my location is definitely a limiting factor. I live in Florida- and not even Miami. That's why I've been mostly trying to find remote postings. I'm a great remote worker- my PhD work was as part of an international collaboration where I mostly worked with a few people in California and Texas, and my current job is remote. Finding a quant position is probably what I need to do. Any suggestions on how to break in…

I recommend you try to remove the PhD from your qualification and apply for some jobs. I know a friend who concealed that he has a PhD. He wouldn't get a job because he is overqualified for most of them (and companies think they have to pay him a lot). Just give it a try.

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#127
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your job sounds like it will cease to exist within a year or two, if all you are doing is scoring a standard document against standard criteria.

Yes, this whole process could be automated with ML, I don't know why no startup has done this yet in a good product. I'd definitely pay for it. HR is actually not my job, I'm hiring Data Scientists for my team; the reason I'm doing the screening is because I'm doing a gig in the Middle East and the HR people here don't know much about DS or how to screen for it (plus, looking at all these CVs is quite the cultural ex…

Something similar is already in private beta : https://cloud.google.com/job-discovery/

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#128
I might be a little odd on this one, but I've been in large non-tech companies for a long time, hiring tech (mostly finance technology and data engineering), so here's my take -

I like cover letters. They're an opportunity for you to tell me how your skills transfer to the position, why you're interested in it, and that you can communicate clearly in writing.

The transferability piece is important because it's rare a candidate has all of the bullets in the description, but we all know critical thinking and tech skills are broadly applicable - or at least I know that, but I need to know that you're looking at it that way. It also helps you avoid the HR filter with me (more on that in a bit).

Your interest is important because I think there's a lot of flexibility between tech skills and subject matter/domains. The issue is, we all like some and all hate some, so tell me why you like this one. This is sometimes a tough one because HR job descriptions sometimes are generic and don't explicitly provide this info. In that case, take a broad view and tell me what domains are interesting to you. If it doesn't align with your interests, you may get rejected, but do you really want to end up in a role working with subject matter you can't stand?

The cover letter as a writing sample is also great for me because we email a lot. We write user stories. We document testing. We IM. I don't necessarily need to hire Shakespeare, but I'd love for you to be able to communicate your thoughts clearly and with an appropriate level of polish.

Now, on that HR filter, I don't know how common this is but I ask my recruiter to pass through any application that includes a cover letter. So at least for my vacancies, a cover letter guarantees the hiring manager will directly review your materials. I think that provides an opportunity to candidates who don't check all of the boxes, but might have some transferable skills to consider.

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#129
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Last time I applied to jobs, and got calls from recruiters, I asked what stood out. It was always the resume. I asked if the cover letter helped. Response was usually "You submitted a cover letter? Let me check. Oh hey, I see you submitted one." My advice is the opposite of another comment: Write one only if you have a "direct pass" that avoids the HR/recruiter filter. Recruiters don't seem to look at them, and HR fo…

This is a good comment, but see my other post in this thread - at least with me, the cover letter itself gives you a "direct pass" for one of my vacancies. That's not advertised in the posting or anything, but I'm betting I'm not entirely unique in doing that.

At the very least, a cover letter can't hurt, so write one for a position you're really interested in!

Re: Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

#130
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not manage time sufficiently to spend 2 minutes reading a 6 page resume and hopefully spending a good 15+ minutes thinking about what u just read?

minutes = 20; // 2 + 15+ n = resumes.size(); // 6 Time t = contemplateResume(minutes, n); // If you manage time sufficiently, // you'll not be spending that much time looking at only the first indication of a candidate's fit for a role

Spend more time on your people then. They're your exponentials.
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