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Netflix and Spotify Ask: Can Data Mining Make for Cute Ads?

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#11
While this detracts from the main point of data mining behavioral transactions, I do want to voice the internal debate I have with these ads to get some feedback. I think it's silly that they spent budget on OOH (billboard) ads when considering other options.

These "cute" ads require reading and thinking time, and I question people even stop to absorb and process. Granted, here we are, looking at these ads in a digital medium. Clearly, the KPI is probably "sharability" and ultimately brand awareness. Would it have been more efficient to just release these digitally only? As someone who has lead advertising both on the brand side as well as media agency side and is now trying to fix a lot of hot trash snake oil, I really wonder what the measure success is here beyond "let's do something funny and get people to write about us". Can these brands/agencies answer one simple question backed by data: Was it worth it?

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#13
Interesting, I'm a bit shocked that these appear to actually be real user-data pulled things vs editorialized made-up details.

Somewhat also interesting that it looks like the negative feedback started up before the companies commented on how they came up with the lines.

I remember a decade-oldish fast food TV commercial I remember that was something along the lines of "dear person who ordered a double cheeseburger and then felt regret after your buddy ordered a triple: it was only a dollar more", and it was obviously a fictional yet relatable ad. Funny how much things have changed since then, as companies have done such a poor job building anything like consumer trust around data - what was once obviously cheeky and cute (if faked) now comes off as rude and malicious and sneaky but real. And from the article and discussion here, it seems like the less you know about how the ad creation process works/has historically worked, the more likely you are to cry foul on first blush.

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Spotify has an ads product. Everyone knows they are collecting the data. It would be foolish to think otherwise. Using it in advertising serves an added benefit of helping their ad sales team tell the story of how much data they have and how they can use it to help target the correct audience.

>"Using it in advertising serves an added benefit of helping their ad sales team tell the story of how much data they have and how they can use it to help target the correct audience." So its advertising targeting advertisers, paid for by their users and and the artists?

This is the dream of the 21st century: machines selling to machines.

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Way to go Spotify, you paid more for that advertising space than you did to the artist for streaming their their content to your users. Using someone else's art as a surveillance marketing tool? Wow that's gross even by the music industry's low standards. Congrats, you've really made it!

> Way to go Spotify, you paid more for that advertising space than you did to the artist for streaming their their content to your users.

How do you know what they paid?

> Using someone else's art as a surveillance marketing tool?

They're not using someone else's art for these statistics.

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Cute? No. These ads are smug and tone-deaf. Complete disregard for privacy has become the rule rather than the exception on the internet, and these ads practically celebrate that. I don't care if the data is anonymized. I've never had a Netflix account and I've already started building my .flac library back up and will be cancelling my spotify subscription. The convenience of these services is not worth their disresp…

Devil's advocate: what is harmful about using anonymised data this way? In an actual "this is how it will negatively affect you" sense?

I ask because while I share your concerns (perhaps not to the extent you do) sitting on HN agreeing with each other does little, and neither does cancelling our accounts. What you'd need to do is explain to a vast number of users why this is problematic in very clear terms, and I'm yet to see anyone actually do that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unnecessary harsh i think. I liked it and probably 99% of all customers did this too or didn't care.

Nerflad is exactly on point with his harshness if you ask me. I don’t care for those ads at all and they prove that privacy is a non-issue for Spotify. It paints the picture of employees perusing my data to see if there is anything funny to take to a weekly show and tell. All the while laughing at our stupidity as customers for trusting them.

Your comment makes me wonder how you believe this data is viewed in the business. I work in BI, who are usually the developers who turn such data in to insights that can be comprehended by the people in businesses who don't know the first thing about databases. Just from my personal experience in such analysis, I think it's highly unlikely they're looking at the "who" behind the weird listening patterns they're reporting on.

It's much easier to report anamolous behavior in the form of anonymous aggregations than it is to report on such a fine granularity as individual listening patterns. A simple SELECT statement with an DESC order by and a SUM aggregation could yield that Sean Spicer statistic, without every touching a specific individual's data.

Such detailed reporting tends to actually be counter-productive, as it usually leads to information overload. I highly doubt that any analyst within Spotify has ever looked specifically at your history.

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No. Considering the state of data collection the advertising I see is a joke. If they manage to provide a somewhat relevant ad, I see it 100 times.

I will side on the simple answer and say. Advertising companies like Google and Facebook collect tremendous amounts of creepy data and are blatantly incompetent in utilizing it

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#19
When I first saw the Spotify ads with playlist names, I was a bit concerned about the privacy side of things, since you can search public playlists and most people have their real name attached to their Spotify account.

However, in the article Spotify claims that they sought permission before using playlist names on their advertising, so I can't really be upset about it.

Re: Netflix and Spotify Ask: Can Data Mining Make for Cute Ads?

#20

This was a solid marketing response: https://twitter.com/Pornhub/status/940246672185217027

Saved you a click:

Pornhub ARIA @Pornhub Pornhub would never play you like that fam Netflix US @netflix To the 53 people who've watched A Christmas Prince every day for the past 18 days: Who hurt you? 7:47 AM · Dec 11, 2017

I sure hope so!

A few thoughts WRT that NetFlix tweet:

The "data" culture is so pervasive, the want of privacy is so weak, that these corporations are not ashamed to post tweets like that. And the lack of outrage, which should be easier to amplify and snowball due to the Internet, tells me, that the battle for privacy is lost (or impossible to win).

That Netflix tweet made me feel like a prostitute TBH, like a cog in a machine. Brazil, the movie comes to mind.

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