Live data from Hacker News

The Case Against Reading Everything

thewalrus.ca

21–30 of 61 posts

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#21
I've read a great deal for the last 50 years, but I feel that this gives me little time for fiction. Every time I pick up a fictional work, I know that I'm going to be forgoing hours of reading or thinking about other things. I feel that I have limited time for fiction. Sadly, this causes me to miss out on the joy of reading good fiction.

It's easy to speed read technical material, especially with the benefit of 50 years of doing it--I simply look for the new material that is inevitably mixed with lots of introductory or background material; I really can't read fiction any faster than my normal relaxed, rather ordinary reading speed. Fiction can take so many twists and turns that it's not possible to dash through it without reading every paragraph.

Recently, I've been thinking about revisiting the subject of my undergrad degrees, Mathematics. I just don't know if I really have time in my life to go back and relearn Topology for example. I didn't appreciated (nor respect) it enough to learn it well when I took Topology 45 years ago, now I wish I recalled it.

It's sobering to consider how few kilo-days I've got left. :(

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#22

Isn't the solution to read from a selected list rather than take everything you can get your hands on? That's why people tend to look at year-end, best of lists, especially the ones generated from a wide range of audience.

reading from a selected list, which implied the list is not selected by the reader who uses it, wont allow for real individual exploration, finding ones own unique combination of tastes. thats without considering that most lists generated by large audiences wont include books from ibdependent presses, difficult books, or books that do in fact offer a broader view and different perspective of subject matter. most aggregations result in watered down and untimately forgettable literature; next time you have the opportunity, ask a bookseller (preferably one at an independent bookstore) what they think of the new york times "best sellers"

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#23
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, what's interesting to me is that the grandparent comment describes "50 Shades" as ~8 hours of reading. The zero-sum argument assumes that reading time is some fixed value for all people. I don't remember how long it took me to read "50 Shades," but it was significantly less than 8 hours, and couldn't have been more than an hour. (I'm not saying that to brag. It takes me a lot longer to do many other things than…

> I don't remember how long it took me to read "50 Shades," [...], and couldn't have been more than an hour. Based on ~155,000 words[1], that would be reading ~2500 words-per-minute. Most everyone else reads around ~200wpm to ~400wpm. Reading at 300wpm is considered "fast" for a college-educated adult. [1] https://novelwordcount.com/2015/04/11/fifty-shades-of-grey-w...

Perhaps the hour mark is hyperbole - I haven’t read these books and have no desire to. But different books have different levels of linguistic complexity, and with simplistic writing I find myself reading at much, much faster rates.

In addition I find that when reading “bad writing” I have a natural tendency to (automatically) skip over long, tortured sentences that seem to be going nowhere. From reputation, “50 Shades” may qualify for that category.

It’s also possible to be both categories at once.

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#24
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article was in encouraging writers to hone in on an individual voice as opposed to being influenced by thousands of competing tones. Perhaps an analogy to songwriting will make things more clear: how well received are the works of someone who writes rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass songs? It's not that a successful country music songwriter can't listen to and enjoy hip-hop but you'll find they t…

I think maybe the only way to be a good artist though is to explore the things that resonate with you. If rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass speaks to your soul, and creating that music fulfills you, then who’s to say exploring those genres is a mistake? There are other measures of success than recognition. Austin Kleon puts this especially well in “Steal Like An Artist.” He says that you can cut off some of your…

Neither of us want me to write an essay about Wittgenstein's notion of "meaning through social interactions" and how this applies to artistic value, but I'll summarize it thus: art needs an audience.

Now, given the vast population of the world, I'm sure there are a few people out there who are into bluegrass-rap fusion, but your friends, family and neighbors are probably not going to get much out of it.

So who do you want to make art for? Who do you want making art for you? Random strangers peicing together art from fragments of digital audio they stumble across while surfing on an endless stream of information?

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You also realize there is no trade off between depth and breadth. It's a false dichotomy. Given that we're in a forum where computer science and engineering topics are often discussed, I find it odd that anyone would suggest this. You have a limited resource (time). Whenever you have a limited resource, there are tradeoffs in how you spend it. Unless exhaustive search is feasible, there is indeed a tradeoff between…

Depth and breadth, in this case, are not opposite directions on a straight line. They are vectors that only appear oppositional when viewed under specific time constraints. The more prolific a reader you are, the more efficiently you read, and thus your higher throughput dramatically compresses time. If we're to speak about very specific increments of time and units of reading material -- say, you get to read N books…

Learning how to find what you will think are "great books", I think, is more important than the raw number of books. Having people that know you well and are good readers themselves can be a great resource. Also, the ability to abandon a long book after an hour of reading can be difficult for some but quite useful if you find your reading time limited.

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#26
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You also realize there is no trade off between depth and breadth. It's a false dichotomy. It's a tradeoff because of the finite time for reading. One can reread Shakespeare's 4 tragedies (Hamlet, King Lear, Othello, Macbeth) again for the 10th time (about 8 hours of reading) -- or -- read E.L. James "50 Shades of Grey" for the 1st time (also about ~8 hours of reading). Some writers may suggest that you read E.L. Jam…

No, I'm not literally suggesting people have infinite time on their hands. Rather, what I'm suggesting is that time compresses when you're reading for pleasure. When you reach a certain "level," shall we say, you read so naturally and so widely and so frequently that it is truly astonishing how much you can read in a day. Then again, I'll continue to caveat all of this by saying that my subjective experience seems in…

[deleted]

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#28
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article was in encouraging writers to hone in on an individual voice as opposed to being influenced by thousands of competing tones. Perhaps an analogy to songwriting will make things more clear: how well received are the works of someone who writes rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass songs? It's not that a successful country music songwriter can't listen to and enjoy hip-hop but you'll find they t…

I can't see why a bluegrass songwriter wouldn't benefit from learning more about rap, funk, metal; bringing a stronger context to their understanding of their own genre (which is sometimes an arbitrary delineation) and perhaps some techniques. > It's not that a successful country music songwriter can't listen to and enjoy hip-hop but you'll find they tend mainly to listen to and be influenced by country music. Withou…

> Without any examples for or to the contrary, I'm not convinced this is true.

There are two volumes of Songwriters on Songwriting and I guess I could introduce you to all my songwriting buddies if you're so inclined.

Re: The Case Against Reading Everything

#30
The author is being provocative in order to be noticed, and his strategy worked. He could have articulated the same point in another way.

Everyday every reader faces a choice between exploration and exploitation, between reading someone new and strange, or something more written by someone he knows. Both are necessary. If you don't explore, you'll never find the writers you truly love. If you don't exploit, you will never truly know them.

And there's a balance to be struck between the two strategies, a balance that varies over time. "Read widely" could be interpreted as anti-obsession, while "read narrowly" is clearly anti-discovery. But readers need to both discover and obsess, and discovery necessarily comes first.

Guriel doesn't talk about how he discovers the next object of his obsession, he glosses over the discovery phase in order to emphasize the obsession. In a perfect world, we would simply move from one great writer to the next without disappointments or slack time. It doesn't always happen that way.

Some people are born into families, institutions and social circles that will lead them straight to the great writers. The lucky ones have access to a cultural lineage that shows them the breadth and possibility of art. Curation aids their discovery.

Others, like me, will waste many years on pap and not know for years what they're missing. Garcia Marquez spent his adolescence reading stilted poetry before Kafka showed him, as a young man, what prose could do with the first sentence of The Metamorphosis [0], or before Mrs. Dalloway taught him how language could handle time.[1]

But I guess the point is that any given moment we face a tradeoff between exploration and exploitation. We have to choose which is more promising: another volume of our current obsession or taking a risk on an unknown.

In my experience, the obsession always wins, and it also always ends, not because the reader becomes tired of the writer, but because the writer produces a finite body of work, and after we read it all, we're back to blindly groping the shelves.

So long term, we have to find something new, and the real question that's not being addressed here is: What kind of new? Do I move on from one author of mystery novels [action thrillers, Harlequin romances, substitute genre here] to another? Or do I seek out categorically new kinds of pleasure?

Anyone who's read enough knows there is good writing and bad writing in every genre and every national literature, and so your meta-genres become just good or bad writing, no matter what the writing is about. That discovery comes slowly after a lonely slog in the wilderness of mass media, or it comes quickly, when one of your friends presses a book in your hands and says "Read this."

[0] http://petitchou.tumblr.com/post/225168928/various-translati... [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=XJE_CwAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=P...

Post reply on HN