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IOTA: A tangled mess

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Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#31
I can just totally agree with the author. I had more or less the same experience.

IOTA is totally immature in terms of development, technology and PR (see fake partnerships and absence of public statement for the network status).

Apart from this it just look like a nice and interesting white paper but that does not actually work in reality yet

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#32

Why do people persist in the idea that a deliberately deflationary currency is a good idea. It might be a good investment, but as a currency, it doesn't promote commerce and trade, it just promotes hoarding. Much of crypto-currency holders today either seem to be people seeking to get in at the top of the ponzi pyramid and sell before collapse, or people who need to avoid some legal issue, be it capital controls, dru…

Making them deflationary is more of a political statement than anything else I think. The crypto-currency crowd has this libertarian streak and of course those people believe that inflation is the devil, used by governments and banks to rob productive businessmen of their hard earned money.

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post #10

As I understand it, the problem with IOTA is that — in order to execute an attack — attackers just need to verify more transactions than all honest participants combined. So, in other words, honest participants have no incentive to verify more transactions than required (because they don’t profit from it) while attackers have an incentive to verify more transactions, in order to successfully double spend.

And to deal with this problem, they have "trusted supernodes", with a promise to turn them off when the network is self sustaining.

It introduces a high degree of centralisation - and we don't know the how network shapes up as a consequence.

And the second problem is obviously the unaudited,"quantum resistant" function.

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

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post #10

As I understand it, the problem with IOTA is that — in order to execute an attack — attackers just need to verify more transactions than all honest participants combined. So, in other words, honest participants have no incentive to verify more transactions than required (because they don’t profit from it) while attackers have an incentive to verify more transactions, in order to successfully double spend.

Could an attacker not create lots of transactions between wallets they own so the attacker is given more transactions to verify as well?

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#35
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be fair, the author did do more research than 95% of other investors before buying...

True but he’s still playing with fire. No one knows when the bull market will dry up but lots of people will end up losing money.

He's not playing with fire if he invested what he can afford to lose, he's just having fun like people do when they bet on horses or similar gambling (as longs as it's done responsibly obviously).

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#36

Why do people persist in the idea that a deliberately deflationary currency is a good idea. It might be a good investment, but as a currency, it doesn't promote commerce and trade, it just promotes hoarding. Much of crypto-currency holders today either seem to be people seeking to get in at the top of the ponzi pyramid and sell before collapse, or people who need to avoid some legal issue, be it capital controls, dru…

If I want an Uber or a coffee, sure, I'll spend BTC. I could make more money by waiting, but I can't live without coffee or transportation.

Why do you waste your dollars on coffee when you could invest them in a deflationary cryptoasset?

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#37

The post mentions the psychology today article but I’d like to say it’s actually a pretty okay article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201... (Author should disclose if he owns IOTA however)

That's an interesting article into the psychology and mind-tactics of crypto fans. Not sure why you've been downvoted but the article is worth a look.

The article does make some good points but it also comes over as a fluff piece for IOTA while tiptoeing around all IOTA's serious issues and implicitly labelling any criticism as "FUD".

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#38
These days it's absolutely impossible to get any serious conversation about any of these cryptocurrencies. Maybe you can do something with Bitcoin and Ethereum, but for any of the others all the foruns and chats are just flooded with crazy people.

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#39
While I agree with the majority of the criticisms of this post (I also posted a criticism here[1]), one has to recognise that it's perfectly possible that a cryptocurrency requires no-address-reuse. This may not be a bug but a limitation which is a consequence of its design. I know other cryptocurrency that suffers this problem: Mimblewimble. But I sincerely hope the wallet developers of mimblewimble are smarter enough to never expose addresses, in order to prevent the user to make this mistake (yes, it can be done requiring QR-code-pairing everytime you want to both send and receive funds).

To finish, let me state that I'm not defending IOTA, which I still think is a joke. Maybe I'm wrong but I cannot tell if I'm wrong or not until they shut down the coordinators (the very thing that makes IOTA centralised).

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15860046

Re: IOTA: A tangled mess

#40

Why do people persist in the idea that a deliberately deflationary currency is a good idea. It might be a good investment, but as a currency, it doesn't promote commerce and trade, it just promotes hoarding. Much of crypto-currency holders today either seem to be people seeking to get in at the top of the ponzi pyramid and sell before collapse, or people who need to avoid some legal issue, be it capital controls, dru…

> it doesn't promote commerce and trade The problem is that our existing financial system probably had an intention of using inflation to encourage commerce and trade, but over the past 40 years, that focus shifted from using debt for the funding of productive enterprises to debt being used for the bidding up of fixed assets like houses, but also stocks. The only thing that mattered to this bidding process was capita…

Fun fact: Bitcoin is designed as a hyperinflationary currency that begins to slow down inflation as more users join and time passes.

Why?

To control the supply early and exploit later speculators.

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