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The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program

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Post by frankquist »

valuearb wrote: post #65
probably_wrong wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once tried to take a picture of a deer, that I saw running away from me and hiding behind a tree. I knew perfectly well were it was, in which direction it would go, and had enough time to set my phone's camera properly. And yet, thanks to a slow auto-focus and low light, my pictures ended up a blurry, unrecognizable mess. Not even I would believe my story. I gained a lot of respect that day for people who claim to…

Intelligent Aliens aren’t deer, anyone who has mastered interstellar travel are closer to god’s in terms of the power they’d have over us. No need to hide, and probably impossible to hide their massive power sources.

I am quite skeptical of this having to do anything with aliens, but the "they wouldn't need to hide angle" confounds me. It acts like the only motivation in an interspecies relationship would be minimizing vulnerability. The more vulnerable species would need to hide, the less vulnerable one wouldn't.

Is this genuinely the only motivation possible? I'd say that's a lack of imagination.

Scientists exploring animal species also often don't want to disturb their research subject, to avoid changing their behavior. An alien species might have a nonintervention clause akin to Starfleet.

Perhaps even, a certain property of one of our technologies or our culture is somehow dangerous to another species, who might have a philosophical disinclination towards conflict and thus they do not want to disturb us.

Perhaps their gear doesn't have much of a defense system given someone decided to cut some budget somewhere.

Employ a little imagination! It's probably all bunk but it's way more fun to look at news like this that way.

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Post by jorblumesea »

The fact that the military is not concerned is the most telling sign. In many ways the military would rather you believe in flying saucers instead of looking for black projects and it's suspected that the original UFO myths were perpetrated by the government to cover up top secret aircraft development.

Had someone seen the SR-71 in the 70s, it would have been considered a UFO or "alien technology" because it was so ahead of its time.

Many maneuvers "impossible for a plane" are impossible due to the pilot being human, not due to the plane not being capable. The F35 is capable of flight that would legitimately kill the pilot. No pilot, and suddenly you have lots more room to try crazy stuff including extremely high G speeds and turns, wingless designs or just crazy ideas.

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Post by sumedh »

valuearb wrote: post #65
probably_wrong wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once tried to take a picture of a deer, that I saw running away from me and hiding behind a tree. I knew perfectly well were it was, in which direction it would go, and had enough time to set my phone's camera properly. And yet, thanks to a slow auto-focus and low light, my pictures ended up a blurry, unrecognizable mess. Not even I would believe my story. I gained a lot of respect that day for people who claim to…

Intelligent Aliens aren’t deer, anyone who has mastered interstellar travel are closer to god’s in terms of the power they’d have over us. No need to hide, and probably impossible to hide their massive power sources.

> No need to hide

Maybe they dont want make contact with a primitive species?

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Post by gfodor »

dwaltrip wrote: post #40

Where is the HD footage that actually shows features of the mysterious "unidentified objects"? Why is all the evidence grainy and obscured? The prospect that life from another star system traveled hundreds of trillions of kilometers, only to hide for the past few decades, peeking out briefly for low-quality photoshoots, is beyond absurd.

Almost all of the UFO reports whose evidence consists entirely upon video evidence can be discarded immediately, so claims like those made in this thread that write off all unexplained UFOs as being optical illusions, bugs on lenses, are red herrings because the cases that are interesting are very easily ruled out as being visual artifacts or failures in human perception.

What remains are cases that usually involve multiple professional pilots, with witnesses on ground and in air, combined with radar signatures and ground control tracking to confirm the existence of the object's presence.

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Post by volgo »

Teever wrote: post #76
volgo wrote: post #56

IMO, the fishy part of the article is the cronyism involved in this program: "The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entreprene…

Robert Bigelow has been interested in aliens and UFOs for most of his life and has essentially dedicated his life to amassing the resources to start an aeronautical company. Hiring him to do this is like hiring Robert Ballard to find the Titanic.

I've been into finding magical unicorns my entire life too. Can I get start a company and get $600 million from the Pentagon for my research too?

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Post by gf263 »

volgo wrote: post #87
Teever wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robert Bigelow has been interested in aliens and UFOs for most of his life and has essentially dedicated his life to amassing the resources to start an aeronautical company. Hiring him to do this is like hiring Robert Ballard to find the Titanic.

I've been into finding magical unicorns my entire life too. Can I get start a company and get $600 million from the Pentagon for my research too?

Hyperbolic.

Re: The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program

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Post by madaxe_again »

_gutd wrote: post #75

Interesting read that expands further on the Navy pilot encounter: https://fightersweep.com/1460/x-files-edition/ Worth noting that the object was observed by a total of 3 F-18s, an E-2 Hawkeye, and a cruiser on the surface.

It’s totally anecdotal, and I’m just some guy on the internet, but I’ve seen these, or at least something similar, twice - once above Bath, UK, in 2012 - the first hint something was up was a pair of sonic booms as two typhoons hurtled into the airspace over the city. Needless to say, ran out of the office to gawp, and the fighters were circling a thing hovering at about 20,000 feet - bulky ovular object with greebles and lumps, just sitting there in the sky. As they approached it moved sideways as though on rails, and after a few minutes, a cloud formed around it, which then dissipated over a minute - the thing was gone. This was written up in the press the next day as a helicopter pilot in distress. Here’s the story the press ran with - there was no helicopter, I swear it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129133/Sonic-boom-r...

The other was at night in the Kazakh steppes, watching a triangle of lights dance in impossible fashion, before zooming up into the sky and disappearing - although given that I was near Baikonur, I give more credence to this one being man made.

But the thing over Bath was enough to break my mind. I still struggle to believe I saw anything. Others who saw it with me took the helicopter story and clung to it, because the alternatives are just too damn weird to process. I can understand why the pilot in the story you link was mocked - giving credence to something like this invokes painful cognitive dissonance.

Anyway. I’m just a guy on the internet, but I know I saw something.

Also, don’t forget Foo Fighters - pilots have been seeing odd things since at least WWII. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

Oh, and there was this peculiar sighting a few years ago - not by me, but credible and bizarre - but again, maybe mundane. https://jpcvanheijst.com/red-lights-over-the-pacific-ocean-a...

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