Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

Post by orwin » Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 12:51 PM UTC

ghostcluster wrote: post #143

chasing wrote: post #109

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> Voices are being silenced. I think we've got to be cautious in defining what "being silenced" means. Because I see a world in which people are saying all sorts of things out loud. There was a protest with a bunch of people waving Nazi flags in a public park in Virginia a few months ago. I don't think people are being silenced. I think community norms are shifting quickly in many parts of the country and, again, it'…

So Stanford Medical School should retract this article about the overwhelming evidence of the biologically based cognitive differences between men and women then? http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-b... Science Denialism is just the new community norm, I guess.

Post by lurr » Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 1:04 PM UTC

vbtemp wrote: post #67

I'm glad it mentions H-1Bs. Similarly to identity-conservatives, for whom belief in global warming is heresy and tax cuts are gospel, I believe there is a similar phenomenon with identity-progressives around immigration, in this case specifically the H-1B program. There seems to be some belief in its sacred power that is not to be questioned and not to be curtailed. As I see it, big businesses - not least the major t…

Post by JeremyNT » Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 1:37 PM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #180

vbtemp wrote: post #67

I'm glad it mentions H-1Bs. Similarly to identity-conservatives, for whom belief in global warming is heresy and tax cuts are gospel, I believe there is a similar phenomenon with identity-progressives around immigration, in this case specifically the H-1B program. There seems to be some belief in its sacred power that is not to be questioned and not to be curtailed. As I see it, big businesses - not least the major t…

H1B programs at the top tech companies aren't the problem, they're hiring the best they can and paying them well. It's the H1B mills and other abusers of the program (like Disney) that are dragging it into the political limelight. Reform is needed but ending it would be a terrible loss.

Post by candiodari » Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 2:38 PM UTC

chasing wrote: post #160

cpitman wrote: post #140

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The White Nationalist march on Charlotte is actually an example of voices being silenced. Photos of people there were distributed, their names were found (sometimes incorrectly), and their places of work contacted. Then they were fired. If people see that people who share the same views are losing their livelihoods, they are more likely to be silent. Only the independently wealthy wouldn't consider losing their job r…

That's a good point to bring up. I don't think those people were silenced. They went to a public protest in a public place to make a statement. That statement was broadcast across the country and the world. The opposite of being silenced. Now, they faced consequences for what they said. But that's what happens when you say things. Words have meaning and you can say words which will cause people to no longer want to a…

Post by nautilus12 » Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC