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REST is the new SOAP

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Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by speedplane »

snarfy wrote: post #70
speedplane wrote: post #33

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You don't even need that. I don't think there is anything wrong with returning a 200 response with a JSON body that has some 'error' tag built into it. It may not be purely RESTful, but if it's obvious to the developer interacting with the API, who cares.

Yep and when I have to investigate production issues, you're the guy that makes me do slow wildcard queries of the detailed error text instead of just filtering on the (indexed) response code. You push your laziness onto the rest of the world that way.

I actually agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your characterization that it's "laziness"... how about not knowing?

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by arithma »

garganzol wrote: post #80

CORBA is the best protocol I ever dealt with. Strong contractual semantics, exceptions, interface definitions. Spiced with transparent compression, encryption and bi-directional communication. All those goodies were already available 12 years ago. The only downside - it required a reliable and precise implementation that took a lot of efforts. I always used IIOP.NET for most of my gigs and it was excellent. I also en…

Thanks for this input. I always love reading things things that get me excited to try and look into stuff I have previously discarded for probably "popular" opinion.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by ern »

speedplane wrote: post #27
andrei_says_ wrote: post #20

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I think “hipsteresque opinions looking to sound smarter and more insightful than they actually are” is a very good definition for much of Medium’s content. It may have to do with the platform being used by individuals trying to create a brand of themselves, resulting in a high percentage of sensationalist and controversial posts. Along with the necessity to write on a regular basis.

Programming Paradigm Becomes Popular B/C it gets stuff done --> left: it gets stuff done because it's smarter right: it's bad for you, it's actually getting less done middle: didn't read all that stuff, busy getting stuff done.

didn't read all that stuff, busy getting stuff done.

I agree with this. When I end up on a new project and I'm not the lead, and there is a lead who is pedantic regarding how they want their URLs crafted (or wants to implement a complicated query pattern, or introduce an extra layer of objects to satisfy an abstract notion of purity), I'll just go with the flow. Accidental complexity, pattern seeking and cargo-culting are personality traits of many programmers, and I've come to the conclusion that its best to accept this, and get on with the job of actually delivering value.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by amq »

I think the most realistic and fast solution is to provide a Segger / Open API spec. As a result you get the best of both worlds: easy consumption and a schema which lets you generate clients.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by jimnotgym »

DarkCrusader2 wrote: post #25
bbarn wrote: post #13

Why is REST so popular? Because it's easy to implement and works for lots of use cases. I'm sorry that you found places it doesn't, but in the real world, having been through that SOAP pain it's being compared to, I'd say there's not even a comparison. Everyone seems to want to find a reason to dislike product/technology/feature X but in this case, X is just better than anything we've had for a 90% adoption case. Wha…

I avoid medium posts as much as possible. Everyone is an expert on there with very strong opinions telling me how every technology older than 2 years and not written in javascript is obsolete/dead/not the right way/new . And what's with the UI on their publications. They take up top 25% of the screen with the branding and navbar and bottom 10% asking me to sign in and both sticks on the screen. Who approved that?

Firefox reading view could have been invented for Medium! It doesn't make the articles any better though.

Personally I will keep using REST. If I ever find something is too CPU or network hungry with http/JSON I will take a look at a binary protocol.

For me REST has opened up the world of web applications to simple integrations. It is what makes simple, single use case web apps useful.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by Terr_ »

k__ wrote: post #87

I did REST for years and now people are all about CQRS/ES. "Make CRUD with REST, keep it simple!" "No app is CRUD, it's an illusion! Model your events all the way!" Well, guess the pendulum will someday stay somewhere in the middle?

I think "the middle" is chopping it the "sourcing" part, which is like 90% of the tricky overhead and philosophical purity.

Just have CQRS with events as a short-term communication mechanism.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by snarfy »

speedplane wrote: post #91
snarfy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep and when I have to investigate production issues, you're the guy that makes me do slow wildcard queries of the detailed error text instead of just filtering on the (indexed) response code. You push your laziness onto the rest of the world that way.

I actually agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your characterization that it's "laziness"... how about not knowing?

You're right, that's most likely the main offender. Apologies. I've been consuming a lot of poorly written REST apis lately and am bitter.

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by ivan_gammel »

lfischer wrote: post #84
felipelemos wrote: post #38

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And REST is easier to debug. This make a huge difference when you have a big and complex system.

How exactly do you think REST is easier to debug and what alternatives are you comparing it to?

Crafting REST request with JSON payload is significantly easier than doing that with SOAP (or, rest it in peace, CORBA).

Re: REST is the new SOAP

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Post by dmitriid »

REST in many ways is just a way to structure how you work over HTTP. Because HTTP is huge and allows you a ton of stuff out of the box if done properly. See this HTTP decision diagram: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/for-GET/http-decision-diag... and the documentation for it: https://github.com/for-GET/http-decision-diagram/tree/master...

Any structured approach is difficult and prone to errors. People who so often jump onto the REST bandwagon often have poor to no understanding of what REST is, of what HTTP is, and how it all works.

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