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Re: Disney to Acquire Twenty-First Century Fox

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Post by devwastaken »

aqme28 wrote: post #199
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so black and white. Stratchery posits consolidation may promote competition at the distribution layer, where Netflix presently stands to dominate: "To that end, might it be better for consumers, not-so-much today but ten years from now, if Disney were fully empowered to compete with Netflix? What is preferable? A dominant streaming company and a collection of content companies trying to escape the commoditiz…

Is Netflix approaching monopoly? If anything I've seen a ton of competition coming up from the likes of Amazon, HBO, and a billion smaller services.

Disney is rolling out their own streaming service in 2018. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/disney-will-pull-its-movies-...

Netflix was just there first, but they don't own most of the content.

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Post by yesenadam »

ra1n85 wrote: post #14

My knee jerk reaction here was "ugh, more consolidation of the media by US mega corporations." But then I noted that Fox is owned by News Corp, which owns the Wall Street Journal and New York Post.

and Dow Jones, HarperCollins, realtor.com etc. In the UK, 20 radio stations and The Times, The Sun and The Sunday Times. In Australia, The Australian, The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph and a hundred others.

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Post by heartbreak »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #15
werdnapk wrote: post #9

So along with Disney pulling all their titles from Netflix for their own streaming service, I guess the FX content will be next to go from Netflix.

Most of the FX Networks-owned content has been gone from Netflix for a while; it's been on Hulu or Prime Video.

Quite a bit of FX content (including IASIP) left Netflix this month due to expiring contracts. Convenient timing for the Disney deal.

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Post by collinmanderson »

ouid wrote: post #238
pchristensen wrote: post #212

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It would be more accurate to say, he's ok with reclassifying internet services as Title I, given that 1) ISPs have almost never tried to throttle by traffic type, 2) business model innovation (e.g. zero rating, etc) can have positive effects, and 3) internet access has lots of room for improvement that will require investment, and tying the hands of the providers may prevent that. (I don't necessarily agree with all…

Do you actually believe that these points are useful? You're distancing yourself from "agreeing" with them, maybe because you know how wrong they are, but you still seem to be sympathetic to them. >1) ISPs have almost never tried to throttle by traffic type They have been shown to do this, have an interest in doing it, and it's illegal to do it. Say you're playing chess, and you consider making a move such that, if t…

I think some of these points have merit.

1) It was only illegal from 2015-2017, right?

2) I have multiple ISP options in my neighborhood in a small city. ISPs don’t have a monopoly everywhere.

3) If the ISPs abuse their power, the FCC can always switch them back to Title II.

Re: Disney to Acquire Twenty-First Century Fox

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Post by dragonwriter »

collinmanderson wrote: post #334
ouid wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually believe that these points are useful? You're distancing yourself from "agreeing" with them, maybe because you know how wrong they are, but you still seem to be sympathetic to them. >1) ISPs have almost never tried to throttle by traffic type They have been shown to do this, have an interest in doing it, and it's illegal to do it. Say you're playing chess, and you consider making a move such that, if t…

I think some of these points have merit. 1) It was only illegal from 2015-2017, right? 2) I have multiple ISP options in my neighborhood in a small city. ISPs don’t have a monopoly everywhere. 3) If the ISPs abuse their power, the FCC can always switch them back to Title II.

> 1) It was only illegal from 2015-2017, right?

It was prohibited by regulation from 2010-2014 and 2015-2017 and contrary to non-regulation FCC policy enforced through case-by-case action from 2005-2010.

> 3) If the ISPs abuse their power, the FCC can always switch them back to Title II.

The ISPs did so repeatedly throughout the case-by-case enforcement period, which is why the FCC adopted the first regulatory package in 2010 (while this was finalized after case-by-case was struck down by the courts, the process was started earlier.)

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Post by moondev »

slg wrote: post #231
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so black and white. Stratchery posits consolidation may promote competition at the distribution layer, where Netflix presently stands to dominate: "To that end, might it be better for consumers, not-so-much today but ten years from now, if Disney were fully empowered to compete with Netflix? What is preferable? A dominant streaming company and a collection of content companies trying to escape the commoditiz…

This deal kills one streaming platform. We previously had Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon as the big players. Disney recently purchased BAMTech which does the streaming for MLB, HBO, NHL, WWE, ESPN, League of Legends, and others. After this purchase, Disney planned to create a streaming service with the BAMTech technology and Disney catalog in 2019. [1] That new service would be a strong instant competitor with Netflix, Hu…

HBO? I went to kubecon last week and one of the keynotes was from the HBO team which detailed how they transitioned from ec2 to k8s on aws the past two years...

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Post by monitor40 »

neom wrote: post #264
jandrese wrote: post #178

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Is Disney planning to start their own Netflix-like service or are they planning to just open the online Disney store where it will only have Disney content. The latter doesn't seem like a proper Netflix competitor. Netflix serves more than their own home-grown content.

If they're smart they will just build a backend delivery platform and APIs and make their franchised content available to anyone who wants to consume it.

I believe they already bought MLBAM - major league advanced media - to help solve some of the backend issues they would face.

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Post by jacobr1 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #181
bighi wrote: post #132

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Kind of. Depends on what part of capitalism you're referring to. Because monopolies greatly reduce or limit competition, and competition is the big force that makes capitalism work properly. Capitalism without competition is no different from Communism or a lot of other systems in which one party rules supreme.

In theory Communism is rule by the proletariat, monopolistic Capitalism is rule by a very few super-rich shareholders/owners. They seem like markedly different situations to me. Can you explain further?

Most publicly avowed communist countries actually adopted State Socialism. And in practice, these systems of state-owned industry ended up under consolidated control of oligarchic regimes. Some communistic critics of these Marxist–Leninists regimes even called them State Capitalist. It is not uncommon to refer to "Communism" and mean some form of despotic, top-down state control of industry.

Given that revised definition of "Communism," a greatly consolidated, monopolistic Capitalism, with increased favoritism by the state for leading firms, does start to seem similar in some interesting ways.

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Post by [deleted] »

bighi wrote: post #124
trisimix wrote: post #113

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But think of the x-men mobies

Now they're gonna get worse. Before that, we could at least hope to see a good movie like Logan. Now if Marvel does them, we know they're going to be mediocre like all other Marvel movies, with bad jokes every 87 seconds.

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Re: Disney to Acquire Twenty-First Century Fox

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Post by slg »

moondev wrote: post #336
slg wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This deal kills one streaming platform. We previously had Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon as the big players. Disney recently purchased BAMTech which does the streaming for MLB, HBO, NHL, WWE, ESPN, League of Legends, and others. After this purchase, Disney planned to create a streaming service with the BAMTech technology and Disney catalog in 2019. [1] That new service would be a strong instant competitor with Netflix, Hu…

HBO? I went to kubecon last week and one of the keynotes was from the HBO team which detailed how they transitioned from ec2 to k8s on aws the past two years...

HBO's streaming strategy has been a little strange. They built one streaming product internally that wasn't particularly great and couldn't handle a lot of the huge traffic spikes they see with things like new Game of Thrones episodes.

They then contracted out to BAMTech to build a second nearly identical streaming product. BAMTech previously specialized in live event streaming, so they were better able to handle huge demand spikes. The unusual part is HBO never retired the first service and they have been running both side by side for years. Which service you get is dependent on whether you subscribe to HBO through a cable company or whether you subscribe to HBO directly.

HBO has recently started reinvesting in their internal streaming option with the likely long term plan of ditching the BAMTech run service. Odds are that was what they were talking about at KubeCon.

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