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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by hueving »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #791
tptacek wrote: post #127

The voters elected a Republican government. That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine. Anybody who told you that lobbying the FCC was going to make a difference here was, whether they meant to or not, selling a bill of goods. As someone who respects but mostly profoundly disagrees with principled Republican la…

Republicans don't support deregulation per se. That's just the cover story. Republicans just support big business, that's it. If regulations make businesses better? Why the hell not?

If you're going to make blatant conspiratorial statements about the motivations of nearly half of the US population you are going to need to back that up with evidence.

That would be the biggest 'cover story' in the history of humanity

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Can_Not »

xienze wrote: post #405
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #120

Common response on HN for the past two months has been nothing short of hyperbolic. "The world will end if NN is repealed". Speaking as a conservative: When Obama was president, I got told the same thing about the ACA. The world will end, the sky is falling, America is finished. But eight years later, here I am, nothing's that much worse. I have no reason to believe this is "the beginning of the end" of anything. Lif…

Yeah the reactions here and elsewhere are absolutely ridiculous. It’s almost as if these people have no idea what life before NN was actually like.

Net neutrality has already been around implicitly since the beginning of the internet. Life before NN was life before internet.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by jy1 »

jmswan wrote: post #843

All I have to say is this is no longer a free market society. You can buy whatever you want not excluding popular vote... I can't believe we have come to this, but revolution may be the only way out.

Free market means you _can_ buy anything.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by jmswan »

jy1 wrote: post #844
jmswan wrote: post #843

All I have to say is this is no longer a free market society. You can buy whatever you want not excluding popular vote... I can't believe we have come to this, but revolution may be the only way out.

Free market means you _can_ buy anything.

that may be true, but what do you have to offer as a better alternative?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by ng12 »

hyperbovine wrote: post #744
ng12 wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually the voters elected a Democrat. The electoral college elected the Republican. You mean 48.2% of 58% of eligible voters elected a Democrat. You can slice it many ways but the electoral college is all that matters.

Err, no. Winning the most votes is not "one of the ways you can slice it" -- it's the natural criterion that almost universally comes to mind when you ask somebody how democracy should be implemented.

Well, maybe if you founded a federated republic and wanted each state to decide independently how to cast their votes for the president it might make sense.

It really doesn't matter what's "natural" though. It's like talking about who had more pieces on the board at the end of a game of chess. You knew the rules and you still lost by them. If you had changed the rules the entire matchup would have gone differently.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by cgmg »

sigmar wrote: post #247
ng12 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Title II is not a great solution to Net Neutrality. The only thing I disklike is there isn't a better option already in place. Sure. But it was an attainable solution, which is much better than no solution at all. It's not like Pai is going to find some other way to protect NN.

I think Title II is a fine solution (why shouldn't internet be a utility?). There are a ridiculous amount of people in these comments that are trying to thread the needle between "I support NN," but saying "it is fine that they reversed Title-II classification" (which I guess is their cool contrarian point of view, but functionally tripe)

Why do you think such views are 'trying to thread a needle', 'contrarian', and 'functionally tripe'?

You are exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that there are (god forbid!) dissenting views from your own.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by ziikutv »

Heres a thing, I see a lot of comments about starting an indie-ISP of sorts.

Simple question: if the monopolies were finally able to break net neutrality laws, don't you think they can likely introduce some bullshit legislation to kill indie-ISPs?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by lsllc »

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

This wasn't a fairy tale.

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