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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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If "nothing is going to change" then why the repeal? What benefit will this repeal actually bring? Either they pushed for this to be petty and undo an Obama era bill or something dastardly is in the pipeline.

We have years worth of instances of telcoms already trying to throttle and filter traffic to their choosing. They were blocked each time. So we know exactly what they will do now that they are legally off the hook.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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I think all comments so far have missed the point. So called "net neutrality" is really just a big government handout to Google, Facebook, Amazon and others who want a free ride on the infrastructure built over decades by private company investments of billions of dollars. Putting a chokehold on the telcos has made it so these large companies don't have to make similar investments and put large infrastructure assets…

You have it backwards. These companies can benefit financially from the repeal. But that's short-sighted, and they know it. Innovation will suffer without Net Neutrality, and these companies are more worried about that long-tail loss than any short-term windfall that this would cause.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Here's my question: why was such a momentous decision decided by a board of five people? A decision that will affect hundreds of millions of people was decided by five people. Isn't that insane? Whatever happened to democracy in America?

And how are they allowed to get away with demonstrably false technical errors on record? There should be some checks and balances here.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet). Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do : 1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence. 2) Run fiber cable from…

"Some cities / municipalities have signed agreements for monopoly rights to a telephone or cable provider. Many (but not all) of them can be worked around by simply not selling telephone or TV service." Isn't it ironic that the only way for a startup ISP to get around the local monopoly agreement is to not provide services which are regulated by the FCC? Yet somehow, Google, Amazon, and Facebook have convinced most y…

> Isn't it ironic that the only way for a startup ISP to get around the local monopoly agreement is to not provide services which are regulated by the FCC?

Isn't it telling that the FCC is repealing the consumer-protecting regulations, and not the monopoly-protecting ones?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet). Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do : 1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence. 2) Run fiber cable from…

I have this right now. First in a small mountain town, and now in Longmont, CO, USA. $49.99/mo for 1Gb/1Gb no caps, no extra charges.

Me too :) I think it was easier for Longmont as it's part of "Longmont Power and Communications" - they were able to run a lot of fiber in existing infrastructure, and right of way was essentially a non-issue.

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Ask around for community-friendly ISP's in your area (including Monkeybrains and Sonic in San Francisco). EDIT: OK I suggested sharing a T1 but apparently that hasn't been a good deal since the 90's.

10 friends sharing a t1 falls apart if more than 1 friend wants to stream a movie at the same time. Or if just one friend wants to stream a HD movie. A t1 is 1.54mbit.

Ah, the good old days - when I had DSL with 1.1 Mbps up AND down, guaranteed. My ISP didn't even have a policy against resale so I shared with 15 units in 6 different buildings - all wired. I was always amazed how much better my dedicated 1.1 felt compared other plans boasting up to 5.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Actually the voters elected a Democrat. The electoral college elected the Republican. Not your issue? I've followed your account for years. This is exactly your issue, and everyone in this community's issue. Without the Internet you have no chance of fighting against things like the new tax bill. It takes away your voice. It takes away all of our voices. This might not be 'your' issue, but make no mistake, it is more…

> Actually the voters elected a Democrat. The electoral college elected the Republican. You mean 48.2% of 58% of eligible voters elected a Democrat. You can slice it many ways but the electoral college is all that matters.

Yes! If everyone knew it was a popular election, the results would be drastically different. Candidates would actually campaign and get out the vote in states they never even think about now, and voters in states that are not swing states would be more motivated to vote.

Saying Clinton won the popular vote is just wishful thinking.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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How does this compare to municipal electricity companies? Do you think the same model could be applied?

Coming in 2019, electric companies monitor your usage profile to tell when you turn on different appliances and charge you a higher rate for running your TV or charging your electric car. But don't worry, the free market will fix it.

This is already a thing in several states and the general consensus is that it saves citizens money.
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