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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Retroity »

adventured wrote: post #647
socrates1998 wrote: post #492

Slowly but surely, our open internet will get choked. This is just one step in horrible path that will lead to our largest corporations controlling almost everything in our lives with very little competition. I am blaming the tech giants for this ruling. They are the only ones with enough power to challenge this horrible ruling and they sat idle and watched it happen. They may have given lip service to net neutrality…

21 of the last 23 years of the Internet in the US, there has not been net neutrality. Turned out really bad huh. Net neutrality didn't exist in 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S...

It's been there far longer than you think, just in different forms. It's changed as the internet has.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by qxi »

maxsilver wrote: post #457
komali2 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking this over for the past couple months, because I was pretty sure this would be the outcome - that we would lose our net neutrality protection. So let's play out the worse case - Comcast, AT&T etc wait out the shitstorm and then start throttling traffic and packaging the internet, releasing cable-esque "plans." Is it feasible to just start running our own fiber to hubs? I want to learn more about the…

> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet). Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do : 1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence. 2) Run fiber cable from…

> In Michigan, I could easily offer everyone residential 500mbps to the home via fiber for $50/month and cover all costs, no problem. But only after we already had a few thousand customers. The cost for your very first customer is somewhere north of $50k/each, and prices don't become reasonable until your in the thousands.

Sounds like you could benefit from and ICO to gauge interest and raise the capital necessary for infrastructure development ;)

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by nickysielicki »

zjaffee wrote: post #698
juris wrote: post #135

This wouldn't be a problem if ISP's weren't de facto monopolies. If there was competition in this space, then there would be incentive to improve the infrastructure and Internet speeds. However, ISP's kill competition by making legal arrangements with local governments to only do business with them, and by cutting competitors' cables. Since we have no way to guarantee reasonable speeds to small time websites now, we…

5G networks could very well change that. Right now people rely on LAN, however it's very possible that with the growth of 5G people will just use over the air internet rather than having their own setups everywhere they go.

What's special about 5GHz? What about 700MHz-2100MHz?

Even with its high latency, packet loss, data caps, etc, LTE internet fits the need of a huge segment of casual internet users and has been doing so for some time now.

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Post by jonbronson »

adventured wrote: post #647
socrates1998 wrote: post #492

Slowly but surely, our open internet will get choked. This is just one step in horrible path that will lead to our largest corporations controlling almost everything in our lives with very little competition. I am blaming the tech giants for this ruling. They are the only ones with enough power to challenge this horrible ruling and they sat idle and watched it happen. They may have given lip service to net neutrality…

21 of the last 23 years of the Internet in the US, there has not been net neutrality. Turned out really bad huh. Net neutrality didn't exist in 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015.

Net Neutrality is the default position, so in a sense has always existed from the inception of the internet. Only within the last 10 years have telcoms begun a series of intentional efforts to begin throttling, and manipulating traffic in a way that falls outside of the bounds of Net Neutrality.

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Post by sorrymate »

oh_sigh wrote: post #667
betterunix2 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine." That is not why this is shocking. This proceeding is shocking because the legal basis for this change is dependent on a false statements about the technology involved. It goes beyond just, "Republicans prefer deregulation," or, "Republicans favor market-based approa…

Do you have examples of outright falsehoods?

The Tax Plan will pay for itself.

That is an outright falsehood.

"Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), Congress's nonpartisan scorekeeper, predicted that the Senate tax bill would add about 0.1 percent more a year to growth over the next decade, far less than what Treasury says. JCT took into account the economic effects of the tax cuts on individual and business taxes, but not other policy changes advocated by the administration, such as welfare reform. The JCT says the Senate bill's total cost would be $1 trillion after considering growth effects.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/11/the-t...

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/364415-wharton-study-gop-t...

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by jonbronson »

jayess wrote: post #450

In 24 hours no one will be thinking about this and literally nothing will happen, despite the absolute mouth-foaming hysteria we're seeing today.

The lawsuits have already started. The lawsuits will be covered by consumer interest groups, tech blogs, and tech news sites. So we will in fact be hearing a lot about this for the foreseeable future.

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Post by jonbronson »

diebir wrote: post #675

Your public lands? Under attack. Your Internet? Under attack. Your government funding? Under attack. What do you get? Nothing. Prepare to get f$cked over by your friendly republican majority.

Accurate. It's bizarre that a large segment of the country considers these things "differences of opinions" or merely politics.

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Post by agar »

nickysielicki wrote: post #773
zjaffee wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5G networks could very well change that. Right now people rely on LAN, however it's very possible that with the growth of 5G people will just use over the air internet rather than having their own setups everywhere they go.

What's special about 5GHz? What about 700MHz-2100MHz? Even with its high latency, packet loss, data caps, etc, LTE internet fits the need of a huge segment of casual internet users and has been doing so for some time now.

Not sure if you're joking, but just in case...

5G in this context means 5th Generation, not 5 GHz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G

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