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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by spsful »

vorotato wrote: post #453
humanrebar wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This wouldn't be a problem if ISP's weren't de facto monopolies. It would still be a problem for startup companies. If TimeWarner gives exclusive preferential pricing to Vimeo and Verizon gives exclusive preference to YouTube, your video-streaming startup still has an extra uphill battle even if there is competition among the established players.

TimeWarner Cable no longer exists and was purchased by Charter.

I thought he meant TimeWarner -- the content company that owns TBS and Warner Bros-- not Time Warner Cable which was bought by Charter? (For the sake of correctness, the two companies are written as Time Warner Cable and TimeWarner, Inc)

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by peterwwillis »

I don't think any Net Neutrality advocates have yet addressed the fact that last mile ISPs can't find new ways to subsidize broadband roll-outs and upgrades. The only way to pay for it is to charge you more. So while the internet access stays "fair" (which is already questionable at best), you pay more money, and service roll-out continues to be slow and crappy.

Some form of compromise regulation is needed to both retain the fairness of access, but also allow ISPs to find new ways to monetize. But most people don't seem open to talking about this.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by spsful »

munk-a wrote: post #538
chisleu wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YES. Hopefully when sanity takes office, we don't repeal the changes in net neutrality, but rather repeal the laws that created these insane corporate monopolies in the first place!

Or we could do both...

queue the old el paso why not both commercial

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by spsful »

someone7x wrote: post #236
tptacek wrote: post #127

The voters elected a Republican government. That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine. Anybody who told you that lobbying the FCC was going to make a difference here was, whether they meant to or not, selling a bill of goods. As someone who respects but mostly profoundly disagrees with principled Republican la…

> work to flip the House back A well written response, but I choke on salt when I read this sort of call to action. The house has been slowly and surely gerrymandering the country into hereditary fiefdoms for their parties. And if the solution is to relocate to "to the nearest plausibly flippable R district" then we're really saying that money is the real power. Today's decision is a black eye for the concept of self…

Don't choke on salt. That could make you vomit

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by zeth__ »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #318
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #120

Common response on HN for the past two months has been nothing short of hyperbolic. "The world will end if NN is repealed". Speaking as a conservative: When Obama was president, I got told the same thing about the ACA. The world will end, the sky is falling, America is finished. But eight years later, here I am, nothing's that much worse. I have no reason to believe this is "the beginning of the end" of anything. Lif…

USA democracy is failing and this is something to freak out about.

US democracy has produced a result you don't like. This is different to it failing.

Delegitimising the other side, calling them trolls, Russian shills, comcast shills, that is what causes democracy to fail.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by 8note »

mijowi wrote: post #556

It's not democratic. It's republican. Remember that America is a republic, not a democracy. Each state has 2 senators/electoral votes because this country was founded as the United States. It was supposed to be more of a coalition of states united under a federal government, than a single nation. Also, California has a huge population with tons of representatives, and basically every elected official is democratic. I…

what does the lack of a monarch have to do with how much representation an area has.

truly, the US is an oligarchy. regardless of what votes say, actual decision making and power rests with the wealthy nobles, like the Trumps and Kochs.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by plussed_reader »

mijowi wrote: post #556

It's not democratic. It's republican. Remember that America is a republic, not a democracy. Each state has 2 senators/electoral votes because this country was founded as the United States. It was supposed to be more of a coalition of states united under a federal government, than a single nation. Also, California has a huge population with tons of representatives, and basically every elected official is democratic. I…

How many people should a single representative represent?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by dhimes »

onezerozeroone wrote: post #566
maxsilver wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet). Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do : 1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence. 2) Run fiber cable from…

Crowdsourceable? If you need a couple thousand users, would it be possible to run a marketing campaign, get pre-purchase commitments of $100-200, and give some rewards to early adopters? If you raise enough funding, you're good, if not, just cancel the campaign.

I was thinking a co-op but, yeah this.
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