I’m not even sure Etsy will exist in two years.
eBay has made way worst choices for a decade and it's still around.
Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
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Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#22I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
most cost cuts come from automation (as you already noticed). but not just more automation in ops/sysadmin space, but mostly because you can just free resources you don't need. especially one-off jobs (analytics, etc.) take a huge amount of resources for a very short amount of time and after that time the resources aren't needed. on clouds you can hope to schedule them preemtivly. also most cost savings come at night…
"google buckets"/Google S3 is called GCS: Google Cloud Storage https://cloud.google.com/storage/
Aside: strangely enough googling GCS gives me Glasgow Coma Scale, you'd think by now google would have personalized the result for me
Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#23I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
There is so much more overhead with bare metal.
There's an entire other side of building a web server that devs, thankfully, never have to see. OpenCompute [1] aims to standardize what that process looks like. To think that you can run bare metal, and do better than industry standards is naive IMO.
In the end, if you're worrying more about anything than business logic, you're not really delivering value -- you're solving engineering problems. You can sacrifice that control and solving problems for greater abstractions, i.e. serverless, fargate, etc.
Unless you have some extreme security requirements (which most don't) you probably don't have a good reason to run bare metal.
Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#24I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
Operation cost is only one side. There are more things:
* Well designed security / encryption may cost a lot.
* Compliance may be a pain.
* multi-DC and HA
* Surge resource usage over holidays.
* "Sleeping" resources at night or wasted.
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#25I’m not even sure Etsy will exist in two years.
Based on this alone?
Etsy seems to be fine for the most part. The only criticism I have of Etsy is that they've moved away or diluted their core business (small business/home business sales) by allowing mass manufactured goods to be sold on the site.
Etsy still has a place, and I've ordered several items from Etsy vendors this last year. They just need to keep a check on what they want to be otherwise they'll be subpar eBay clone.
Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#26I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
I would be shocked if Etsy/Spotify/whoever else wasn't cutting a deal for a significant discount, getting these name brands on GCP is great PR for the platform.
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#27> Etsy's transition to the Google Cloud Platform is expected to be complete within the next two years. I have no idea what Etsy looks like internally, but that sounds like an awfully long time in this day and age. Anyone have an inkling as to why this is a multi-year project?
I would bet part of this has to do with the support cycle of the hardware they currently have, and other contracts: they have warranty/service/support on their current hardware, and contracts in place for their colocation facility, so they'll keep using those until they're (near) the end.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they've always self-hosted on bare metal.
What's the difference between self-hosting and self-hosting on bare metal?
Self-hosted could mean running on a rented server managed by a vendor (e.g. Rackspace) often marketed as a "private cloud." The servers they're using are individually assigned to that client, the vendor manages the physical, the company manages every other layers.
Self-hosted on bare mental usually means the company owns the physical servers, storage arrays, and so on. No renting or leasing. No subscription fee-like service. They may still be renting space in someone else's data center, but it is their hardware.
The distinction isn't super important to be honest.
Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#29I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
GCP is an operational expense, whereas bare metal is operational + capital expense. It might be more expensive for cloud, but the accounting looks a little cleaner. I worked for a company that had bare metal. They were always shipping parts around, lots of movement back and forth between the data center, lots of night deploys for ops team which meant a burden on the HR department. There was a general anxiety about se…
You don’t need to worry about that stuff with someone like IBM SoftLayer and a bunch of other professional unmanaged/semi-managed bare metal.
E.g. WhatsApp have been on SoftLayer for a long time and are still there many years post-acquisition.
Re: Etsy Announces Move to Google Cloud
#30I love GCP but honestly have no idea how these big internet properties can make the $ case for “the cloud”, unless they’re also planning to fire 90% of the Ops/SysAdmin team (ala Evernote). We run on bare metal and to move to GCP would triple our hosting cost, not including bandwidth (which is free* for us). Do people get discounts for doing PR? I’m really curious.
I would be shocked if Etsy/Spotify/whoever else wasn't cutting a deal for a significant discount, getting these name brands on GCP is great PR for the platform.
You don't even need to be a name brand to get discounts.