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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by nickbauman »

stcredzero wrote: post #146
ikeboy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, the FCC's mandate isn't to poll the public and do whatever most of them want. Strange how people seem to think it's a numbers game, at least when they feel the numbers are on their side

Logician and Philosopher Raymond Smullyan had a story about this in one of his books. He had gone on a trip with a woman with a little girl. The adults wanted to eat at colorful local cafes, while the girl wanted to eat at McDonalds. He suggested that they vote, and the little girl replied, "That's no fair. I'd lose!" Our republic isn't designed just to do what the people want. It's intentionally designed so that goo…

Ajit Pai is an appointee, not an elected official.

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Post by wvenable »

judah wrote: post #117
ransom1538 wrote: post #47

Comcast board meeting (RIGHT NOW): "First things first, how do we charge more for netflix streaming."

They're free to do so; companies exist to make money. Cable internet carriers probably will attempt something like this. The next thing that will happen is, when Comcast goes too far, another provider (cable? wireless carrier? satellite broadband? something new from a startup?) disrupts the market by offering an alternative to Comcasts' egregious policies. Comcast loses subscribers and is monetarily forced to be more…

> another provider

This is laughably naive.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by blfr »

jasongill wrote: post #24
yostrovs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

Correct, a place where innovative companies like Netflix were blocked and throttled by ISPs due to conflicts with their legacy business models. I don't know how anyone could honestly say that taking away an important consumer protection is going to help innovation, outside of innovative new billing practices by ISPs.

This is OT but I don't see the innovation of Netflix. It's TV on the Internet. They were actually a more innovative, or at least weirder, business when they were mailing DVDs around.

It's like Russ Hanneman (Mark Cuban, right?) on Silicon Valley. We can take this thing called the "radio" and put it on this new thing called the "Internet". Not as mind blowing as he believes.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

dkonofalski wrote: post #123
Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

Which is exactly what cracks me up... Republicans, moreso than Democrats, are always talking about government screwing over the people and yet this vote was completely on party lines. I wonder how they're going to figure out that dissonance.

Well, by saying that Title II was an overreach of the government and stifles competition. (Not my opinion. Just stating that it's not exactly inconsistent with their ideology. Just another example of ideology over common sense preventing people from doing what's right)

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Post by olympus »

wdewind wrote: post #81
brian-armstrong wrote: post #5

If you voted for Trump, this one's on you.

Please don't bring divisive politics into HN. Fwiw Ajit Pai was appointed to the FCC by Obama not Trump.

He was appointed at the direction of Republicans to occupy one of the Republican seats on the Commision.

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Post by FLUX-YOU »

Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

How can we stop^H^H^H^H subvert this?

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Post by pjc50 »

raverbashing wrote: post #108
Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

"at its worst" (and yes, it is government at its worst in the lack of competition protection)

This is being downvoted because it is a grammatical correction which is wrong.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Sangermaine »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #46
awinder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-voters / people on the “there’s no difference” train also deserve a moment of reflection about whether their reality is true.

I abstained from voting. I'm still happy with my decision. People actually care about politics again [1]. Maybe next time don't railroad my candidate (Sanders) during the primaries. I will never vote for a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate, even if you hold my country hostage. [1] Alabama has a Democratic state senator for the first time in decades.

>Maybe next time don't railroad my candidate (Sanders) during the primaries. I will never vote for a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate, even if you hold my country hostage.

This isn't a game where you earn points for purity. You can pat yourself on the back for not voting for "a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate" all you want, but the election had consequences, one of which is Trump becoming President. Presumably as a supporter of Sanders you oppose most if not all of the policies Trump is pursuing, yet your refusal to vote against Trump helped enable everything he is doing whether you intended or like that. Real-world consequences happen regardless of how you think or feel about them.

You're putting your own vanity over actual beliefs. If you truly stand for what you claim, you'll fight for it any way you can, even if that's not personally appealing or ideal.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Cknight70 »

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #110
jackfrodo wrote: post #36

This has made me feel pretty damn powerless, as pretty much every site/person of significance has stated their opposition to such a repeal, and yet they went through it anyway. Just a gut feeling that our democracy isn't working properly when such a loud and clear, great majority of the population messaging is completely ignored.

> our democracy isn't working properly Democracy doesn't work through public declarations, it works through elections. One year ago, the states chose Donald Trump as president, knowing they he would end Net Neutrality [1]. If a population wants to send a different message, they must do it in the next election [2]. [1] https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... [2] https://swingleft.org/

While I do not think Donald Trump is turning out to be a great president, his competition was not any better for different reasons. I think there is also a problem with how our Democracy elects people as well.
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