F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules • Hacker News Board

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by ryanisnan » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:45 PM UTC

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #110

jackfrodo wrote: post #36

This has made me feel pretty damn powerless, as pretty much every site/person of significance has stated their opposition to such a repeal, and yet they went through it anyway. Just a gut feeling that our democracy isn't working properly when such a loud and clear, great majority of the population messaging is completely ignored.

> our democracy isn't working properly Democracy doesn't work through public declarations, it works through elections. One year ago, the states chose Donald Trump as president, knowing they he would end Net Neutrality [1]. If a population wants to send a different message, they must do it in the next election [2]. [1] https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... [2] https://swingleft.org/

Our democracy is hardly a democracy. I kind of wish people would stop discussing it as such. The opinion of the population matters very little to the outcome of legislation, and for those whose opinions it does matter (legislators), they are bought and paid for.

Also, if you really think that people who voted for Donald Trump understood the intricacies of net neutrality you must be an incredibly optimistic individual.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by adrr » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:45 PM UTC

zavi wrote: post #23

phkahler wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did run on "drain the swamp" which meant getting rid of people that do things like this. The problem is that people believed him.

"Drain the swamp" means different things to different people.

Never got the meaning to "drain the swamp". Is there a negative perception about having wetlands?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by jackhack » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:45 PM UTC

csours wrote: post #104

ikeboy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, the FCC's mandate isn't to poll the public and do whatever most of them want. Strange how people seem to think it's a numbers game, at least when they feel the numbers are on their side

Really funny when people in a democracy believe in majority rule.

Or those in a representative, Constitutional Republic, which is what the United States of America is.

USA is not a democracy, thank God. A democracy is mob rule.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by squozzer » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:45 PM UTC

ransom1538 wrote: post #47

Comcast board meeting (RIGHT NOW): "First things first, how do we charge more for netflix streaming."

I can also see some of the four horsemen (AAPL, GOOG, AMZN, FB) discussing something along these lines: "We have enough cash and/or market cap to buy some of these last-mile companies AND we can block our competitors. Shall we pull the trigger?"

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Fede_V » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

As I've previously said: for people that believe Pai acted according to good faith, are you willing to bet that, as soon as he is legally allowed to do so, Pai won't be given a VP-level sinecure at Verizon or Comcast?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by nocut12 » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

wdewind wrote: post #81

brian-armstrong wrote: post #5

If you voted for Trump, this one's on you.

Please don't bring divisive politics into HN. Fwiw Ajit Pai was appointed to the FCC by Obama not Trump.

This is a bit misleading...

He was appointed by Obama, but not as chairman -- and was a recommendation from McConnell.

Obama was pretty clearly pro net neutrality.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by MrGando » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

Are the big companies really in favor of neutrality? At least in the short mid-term I believe it’s more helpful for them to get their silos even more consolidated...

Also... they haven’t been super loud for neutrality and this happened. It almost felt as if they did not care.

It’s a sad day.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by tmat » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #110

jackfrodo wrote: post #36

This has made me feel pretty damn powerless, as pretty much every site/person of significance has stated their opposition to such a repeal, and yet they went through it anyway. Just a gut feeling that our democracy isn't working properly when such a loud and clear, great majority of the population messaging is completely ignored.

> our democracy isn't working properly Democracy doesn't work through public declarations, it works through elections. One year ago, the states chose Donald Trump as president, knowing they he would end Net Neutrality [1]. If a population wants to send a different message, they must do it in the next election [2]. [1] https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... [2] https://swingleft.org/

the problem with this statement is we weren't given a fair choice of options.. It was this or that and they both stunk to high heaven.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by knz » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

tspike wrote: post #88

JustAnotherPat wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bi-partisan? Pretty sure the vast majority of Republican candidates came out against it last November. People knew what they were voting for.

Republican legislators are pretty uniformly against net neutrality. The Republican public is not, with one recent poll showing 3 out of 4 Republicans familiar with the issue voicing opposition to the rollback of regulations. [1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/12...

And yet they still vote for candidates with known public positions that are contrary to their own!

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by ryanwaggoner » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 6:46 PM UTC

betterunix2 wrote: post #129

jackfrodo wrote: post #36

This has made me feel pretty damn powerless, as pretty much every site/person of significance has stated their opposition to such a repeal, and yet they went through it anyway. Just a gut feeling that our democracy isn't working properly when such a loud and clear, great majority of the population messaging is completely ignored.

Did you submit a comment on this proceeding, beyond just clicking on some site that auto-generated a comment? I spent several days working on my comment; it was a dozen pages long, it included relevant citations, and it addressed specific questions asked in the NPRM. I took the time to correct a few falsehoods in the NPRM's technical analysis. Now imagine what it is like to see that comment being specifically cited a…

I am not going to give up on civic engagement

Please don't. I mean that very sincerely. The fact that you took the time to do this is very inspiring to me. It reminds me of this guy: https://professional-troublemaker.com

It kind of blows my mind to think of how much individuals who are focused and determined can really accomplish.