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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by microcolonel »

slg wrote: post #28

This has been asked a few times but never fully answered, can someone explain why this vote in particular is a problem? I understand net neutrality and I am all for it, but there was considerable public doubt before reclassification that this was the proper way to go about it. It also doesn't seem like the internet regulatory state of pre-2015 was a disaster. Would we better off focusing our efforts on increasing com…

> Would we better off focusing our efforts on increasing competition among ISPs?

The answer is, of course, yes. But people like to think in terms of black and white, ingroup and outgroup, friend and enemy. The public is now thoroughly convinced not only that the reclassification had the intended effects (and it's not clear that's the case), but that reinstating the reclassification is the only way to address the issue. Anyone who says anything against this norm will be hounded until they shut up.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

RpFLCL wrote: post #21
pmoriarty wrote: post #6

Would anything stop the next administration from reinstating net neutrality?

It wouldn't, but then what would stop the administration after that from repealing the protections again? Are going to have to take up this fight every four years?

the alternative means accepting that net neutrality is dead, so... yes.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Spooks »

yostrovs wrote: post #10
depeters wrote: post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

Just so we are clear this is what is happening. Removal of regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content.

Did they do that before 2015, there are cases of it, but not really that much. Providers mostly want to slowly introduce it now or at least the option to introduce it. I don't think they want to switch it quickly, but giving them this power is very dreadful.

So saying it will go back to 2015 (basically not really an issue), is looking at things a bit closed minded.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by charter_sucks »

ikeboy wrote: post #26

Friendly reminder that economists surveyed are far more likely to be for paid prioritization than against http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

yeah....i mean i feel a big part of this is because these people made it without the internet and feel it's not as necessary as people rely on it today.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by dkonofalski »

yostrovs wrote: post #10
depeters wrote: post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

Net neutrality wasn't instituted in 2015. It was made law in 2015. Prior to that, Net Neutrality was the standard since it was classified as an information service. It wasn't until telecom companies started blocking VoIP traffic that it changed.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by toomuchtodo »

awinder wrote: post #19
brian-armstrong wrote: post #5

If you voted for Trump, this one's on you.

Non-voters / people on the “there’s no difference” train also deserve a moment of reflection about whether their reality is true.

I abstained from voting. I'm still happy with my decision. People actually care about politics again [1]. Maybe next time don't railroad my candidate (Sanders) during the primaries. I will never vote for a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate, even if you hold my country hostage.

[1] Alabama has a Democratic state senator for the first time in decades.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Johnny555 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #6

Would anything stop the next administration from reinstating net neutrality?

Would anything stop the next administration from re-instating net neutrality?

Money from the even richer companies that want to prevent it from happening.

Think of the ad campaigns: "Since have been able to charge content providers for their use of our network, we've kept our costs low - that's why you pay only $99.99/month for your ultra fast 10 mbit connection , f net neutrality comes back, your rates will skyrocket"

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by snuxoll »

omginternets wrote: post #14

Europe has it's problems, but I don't regret moving to London. Not one bit. The innovation here is real and tangible, by and large unencumbered by this kind of crap.

I really should get the paperwork going for my wife's Italian citizenship, the US national archive sent me an un-certified copy of her grandfathers naturalization papers even though I requested a certified copy and I've been too lazy to try again.

Anyone have advice on tech hotspots in the EU that are willing to put up with English-speaking engineers? I've thought about Finland a couple times, good schools for my daughter, ample hunting and fishing opportunities and from what I can tell pretty good broadband infrastructure.

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