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France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Post by ornitorrincos »

jeromenerf wrote: post #197
bambax wrote: post #147

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> full of chalk and blackboard Thanks for the link to Mr. Alexandre's talk; very informative. He's a little heavy on the hyperbole but many of his warnings ring true, esp. the fact that Europe is squashed between the American GAFA and the Asian BATX, with no response of her own. That said, French schools are not esp. technology-adverse; most (all?) classrooms are equipped with a "TNI" (tableau noir interactif) which…

s/TNI/TBI/ : "tableau blanc interactif". Having led some experiments with those, I am not sure they are a real improvement over a chalkboard: - they cost much more and are pretty useless without computers / tablets for the teacher and pupils - they require skills from the teachers to operate them - the software ecosystem is poor - slightly OT, wifi is not allowed in schools So, while the concept is attractive, the cu…

to be honest, the greatest improvement over chalkboards are whitebooards, you can write freely, no need of computers, multiple people, and no damn dust

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Post by lossolo »

Montezuma_II wrote: post #25

I think this is a mainly positive move. Mobile phones are massive distractions to children, especially in a school context. When it comes to young children, I am skeptic to the use of digital technology in education in general. School should help incorporate good habits into a child's routine, such as reading books, and nailing reliance on phones into children is not something we want to be doing in schools.

It's more than that. It's about socializing too. Now on breaks most kids just look into their phones, they don't teach themselves how to make social relations, how to communicate face to face with other members of society and how to coexist in group. This creates pathology which makes those kids socially handicapped in their future life.

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Post by baby »

setecgastronomy wrote: post #295
baldfat wrote: post #278

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Children given unsupervised access to the internet is ridiculous. People freak out if a predator lives int heir neighborhood but they let their child be accessible to millions of predators via their phone or table. This is why kids initial exposure to porn is 8 in the US and 10 when kids are getting addicted. This is all happening prior to puberty. I still remember working with children and teens and found out, throu…

> Children given unsupervised access to the internet is ridiculous. Why? > People freak out if a predator lives int heir neighborhood but they let their child be accessible to millions of predators via their phone or table. Well advise the kids of the dangers. I and most of my friends had unsupervised internet access. We are all doing fine. > This is why kids initial exposure to porn is 8 in the US and 10 when kids a…

There's definitely an age where unsupervised access to the internet is bad. Not even talking about porn, but bullying, gore, pedophiles, etc...

What is that age? I don't know.

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Post by schwap »

setecgastronomy wrote: post #295
baldfat wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children given unsupervised access to the internet is ridiculous. People freak out if a predator lives int heir neighborhood but they let their child be accessible to millions of predators via their phone or table. This is why kids initial exposure to porn is 8 in the US and 10 when kids are getting addicted. This is all happening prior to puberty. I still remember working with children and teens and found out, throu…

> Children given unsupervised access to the internet is ridiculous. Why? > People freak out if a predator lives int heir neighborhood but they let their child be accessible to millions of predators via their phone or table. Well advise the kids of the dangers. I and most of my friends had unsupervised internet access. We are all doing fine. > This is why kids initial exposure to porn is 8 in the US and 10 when kids a…

> I and most of my friends had unsupervised internet access.

I don't know how old you are, but personally (in my early 30s) the internet of my youth was pretty vastly different than the internet of today, i.e. as you say:

> And guess what? 99.99% of 90s kids didn't use webcams.

Well now most kids have a high quality webcam in their pocket at all times.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Post by _m8fo »

Retric wrote: post #212
_m8fo wrote: post #201

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Do you have any research to back this up? I'm curious.

Yes, I am not sure what part you want support for. But, if this interests you I suggest you do a little research on your own. ( http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingst... )

I have done research and haven't found that "plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students".

I'm very well aware of studies showing that teachers make an impact. That much is obvious. What I'm not aware of is any significant group of schools that regularly use random assignment.

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Post by Retric »

_m8fo wrote: post #306
Retric wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am not sure what part you want support for. But, if this interests you I suggest you do a little research on your own. ( http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingst... )

I have done research and haven't found that "plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students". I'm very well aware of studies showing that teachers make an impact. That much is obvious. What I'm not aware of is any significant group of schools that regularly use random assignment.

Here is one interesting example: http://www.nber.org/papers/w21407 However, this really comes down to researches not being idiots.

If you mean at the school level, that's a policy choice which is far from universal. However, their are a lot of schools and a meaningful number do random student assignment.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Post by setecgastronomy »

schwap wrote: post #305
setecgastronomy wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Children given unsupervised access to the internet is ridiculous. Why? > People freak out if a predator lives int heir neighborhood but they let their child be accessible to millions of predators via their phone or table. Well advise the kids of the dangers. I and most of my friends had unsupervised internet access. We are all doing fine. > This is why kids initial exposure to porn is 8 in the US and 10 when kids a…

> I and most of my friends had unsupervised internet access. I don't know how old you are, but personally (in my early 30s) the internet of my youth was pretty vastly different than the internet of today, i.e. as you say: > And guess what? 99.99% of 90s kids didn't use webcams. Well now most kids have a high quality webcam in their pocket at all times.

>I don't know how old you are, but personally (in my early 30s) the internet of my youth was pretty vastly different than the internet of today, i.e. as you say:

I too was a 90s kid. No. It really wasn't. The same dangers that existed back then existed today. There was threats of child predators, internet addiction, gambling, porn, etc. That's why we were taught to be anonymous on the internet. You could argue today's internet is a lot safer than it was in the 90s when most parents didn't even know what the internet was.

> Well now most kids have a high quality webcam in their pocket at all times.

And? 99.99% of them don't use them to sell their photos to pedophiles.

There are pedophiles lurking at libraries too. I guess we should stop kids from using the library. It's funny how people who want to control kids and who are so scared of everything find something to be scared of no matter what.

Just because 0.000001% of kids might do stupid stuff on the internet isn't a reason to monitor every kid or keep kids from the internet without supervision.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Post by MarcScott »

When I taught, I found that student's having mobile phones was pretty useful.

They had to be kept in their bags and on silent during my lessons, unless I gave permission for them to be out.

They would use them to add reminders for homework, have a second screen for internet access, take photos of the board, connect to my Apple TV and then point their cameras at their work to display it to the rest of the class.

I rarely had issues, and when I did I would just confiscate the phone and then make the parents come in to school to collect it. That soon tempers a child's desire to get their phone out in class.

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