Earlier quoted context omitted.
No spine, greed and fear instead
Perfectly rational fears. They're not pulling a Sweden and censoring politically incorrect truths.
Yeah, because that sure happened! (no)
You're free to link any examples.
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Re: Poland: Government agency fines private TV station for coverage of protests
#22Allowing Poland into the EU was a mistake. It takes decades for a country to build up its democratic political culture. Something like this wouldn't even be conceivable in Denmark or the Netherlands.
Allowing the country to EU kind of enabled populism to gain so much voters - thanks to all the EU money going through politician's hands they (socialists) grew in power, they're the masters of the economy in Poland now and half of business in PL depends directly or indirectly on money distributed by the state. Not mentioning 100% of public administration depends on it. So i assume this is a first step to a grand fail…
I don't even get what you get all this from, surely you know socialists actually don't like the EU in general?
The EU giving money to "socialists" makes no sense.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perfectly rational fears. They're not pulling a Sweden and censoring politically incorrect truths.
Yeah, because that sure happened! (no) You're free to link any examples.
http://www.friatider.se/gigantisk-databas-ver-invandrares-br...
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/extremhogersajt-och-nazis...
This was fairly recent, as I understand it, SVT is the more "reputable" news source and they don't seem to be refuting any of the data. Shortly after the migrant crisis began, Swedish police stopped recording information about the ethnicity of perps.
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So what exactly is wrong with 'american-style' news and why it deserves a government punishment? They were fined for reporting protests agains the ruling party, but you somehow try to imply it was because they did it in american style?
"Independent media" is very new in Eastern Europe. You'd be amazed at the links politicians have with TV stations and newspapers.
> You'd be amazed at the links politicians have with TV stations and newspapers.
As if it wasn't the case in any other country as well... US in particular...
Re: Poland: Government agency fines private TV station for coverage of protests
#25Allowing Poland into the EU was a mistake. It takes decades for a country to build up its democratic political culture. Something like this wouldn't even be conceivable in Denmark or the Netherlands.
This has more publicity today because this TV station was taken over by US based company last year. Department of justice made a statement because US based company was fined. If this TV station would be owned by last owner today then things for sure would be different.. Do not judge Poland, if you want to judge someone then judge polish government. This government is a result of populism wave that also elected Trump…
>Do not judge Poland, if you want to judge someone then judge polish government. This government is a result of populism wave
The government is elected by the people, it's perfectly reasonable to judge those people for the result of their actions.
Re: Poland: Government agency fines private TV station for coverage of protests
#26Allowing Poland into the EU was a mistake. It takes decades for a country to build up its democratic political culture. Something like this wouldn't even be conceivable in Denmark or the Netherlands.
Oh please, Poland are the only EU country with a spine.
This is (unfortunately?) true, and whoever downvoted you doesn't know Poland well.
I'm Italian but live in Poland, and it makes me cringe seeing the difference between a country that has no balls and does whatever Germany-controlled EU asks it to-- despite the huge damages inflicted to its citizen--and a country that puts its citizens first like Poland does.
I go to Germany often and besides a few outskirts, Munich feels like some Arab country where you hardly hear any German spoken. Nuremberg could be renamed Little Istanbul and no one would complain. It's a mess. In the meantime, Italy is in even worse conditions because we can't seem to make people respect the law. If you go to any city you'll see dozens of African street vendors selling counterfeit Gucci and Valentino bags undisturbed, in front of actual stores that pay taxes and sell (or try to sell) the real thing. All this to lower the cost of labor (unless you believe the "helping people" lie that politicians tell you).
I'm glad Europe exists, but we need some balance between what's good for the community and what individual countries need.
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Why comment when you have no idea what you're talking about?
Wow great argument. I hope Poland has a better one at the next EU council meeting.
Your post didn't deserve an argument, but ignoring for a second your ignorant comment about letting Poland in Europe, you're welcome to enlighten me as to how this: https://edri.org/new-danish-law-can-lead-substantial-interne... is not 100 times worse than what's in the article.
Re: Poland: Government agency fines private TV station for coverage of protests
#29Sounds like the 3rd/4th item in headlines on Democracy Now tomorrow. Censorship and facism are on the rise globally because history repeatedly shows the majority are ignorant fools and always fall for populist hate and false promises to ameliorate their discontent with scapegoats and quick-fixes.
> the majority are ignorant fools and always fall for populist hate and false promises
But why is it on the rise. Did the majority get more foolish or is it just more of them so foolishness is amplified disproportionately?
Re: Poland: Government agency fines private TV station for coverage of protests
#30Sounds like the 3rd/4th item in headlines on Democracy Now tomorrow. Censorship and facism are on the rise globally because history repeatedly shows the majority are ignorant fools and always fall for populist hate and false promises to ameliorate their discontent with scapegoats and quick-fixes.
Maybe people hate the bullshit that has been pedaled by their shit mass media and legislature
But why they don't hate the bullshit that their alt media feeds them?