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France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #43

I think they must specify they banned smart mobile phones OR mobile phones By reading all comments I think problem is in smart mobile phones. which have extra features for user entertainment which also act as distraction (for student during study) Before coming to any decision we should not forgot that phone can also use as medium of communication with our guardian in emergency and emergency is something we could not…

The school has a phone in case of an emergency. So do the teachers.

Not on the way to and from school

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phones tend to be distraction machines, books much less so.

Books are distraction machines on a different level. When I become immersed in books I tend to deprive myself of sleep, neglect my daily chores and procrastinate my work. I do feel much better about periods where I read a lot, otherwise I tend to incessantly grab my phone to check blogs, news sites and stock/crypto prices.

Books don't exploit every psychological trick there is to try to cram as many ads in your face as possible

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#74
post #36

Can we limit them for use by parents as well? Playgrounds seem to be the place parents go to look at Facebook while their kids yell "look at me mummy" forlornly.

Cut parents some slack and give children some credit. Everyone is going to be just fine (possibly better) if dad gets a tiny break and junior gets a small taste of independence.

This has nothing to do with independence. Kids need the attention of their parent. We are social beings. Those zombie parents kids develop into something the parents will later want to medicate shifting the blame on the kid.

In no way will there be something BETTER.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#76
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deeper question is - how do we make it not unusual, but a normal things that kids just do?

It looks like your response is focused on the "download"/"wrote my own script" aspect of peterburkimsher's account, and that you want to make that more common. I believe that Majestic121 is trying to point out that this ban is for the younger grades. Elementary school students rarely read Shakespeare. Or am I wrong, and your intent is that reading Shakespeare in grade 6 should be "a normal thing that kids just do"? F…

Nah, you've guessed right - I would like it to be more common for kids to use their electronic devices for learning, creating, and generally solving their own problems (instead of creating them). Computing is a complex, but a very powerful tool; quite a lot about it is mindset, not skills.

I completely agree that carrying too many books is a problem. We have that in Poland, too - the amount of books kids need to bring to school is only ever increasing, and publishers are doing their best to kill off solutions like ability to share books or keep them at school (through structuring the material to be single-kid-use, throwaway, and changing every year to make people buy new copies).

That's a long topic, but school publishing is one of the industries I'd love to see completely destroyed - not disrupted, but literally all major publishers going bankrupt - and rebuilt anew, with products and practices more akin to what my country saw in the 60-80s - good books with lots of content, little fluff, reusable, resellable, and quite often usable for learning without supervision.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#78
post #17

Shouldn't this be a matter for individual schools or school boards (the article says some already have this in place)? I like the policy, but as I get older, I wonder why we have so many laws that control so much of what we can and can't do. I agree this one's pretty benign, but it still seems like an excess of authority. When I was in school, if I distracted another student or played on my calculator, I'd get in tro…

> I agree this one's pretty benign, but it still seems like an excess of authority.

It seems like that because it should be common sense but it's not and therefore it needs to be enforced by law.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#79
post #6

The important thing in the article is that this ban concerns phone usage during breaks and lunch. Phones in classes were already forbidden long time ago.

I think that is a step too far. Imagine they banned books during breaks. That's how far this is. I get you want to not have them use them during class but that is the general policing class behavior that teachers are supposed to do. Why ban them during breaks when it doesn't hurt their studies?

>Why ban them during breaks

If it was me, I'd do it for practicality. It's easier for a wholesale ban than try to implement some system where you allow a forbidden item for some, but not all of the time.

Even keeping track of which phone belongs to who for every kid in a school would be more than I would be arsed to deal with.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#80
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cut parents some slack and give children some credit. Everyone is going to be just fine (possibly better) if dad gets a tiny break and junior gets a small taste of independence.

This has nothing to do with independence. Kids need the attention of their parent. We are social beings. Those zombie parents kids develop into something the parents will later want to medicate shifting the blame on the kid. In no way will there be something BETTER.

When I grew up, I had long periods of time during which my parents weren't around. I socialized with other children. Imagine that!
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