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France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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Meanwhile, my high school was authorizing students to smoke during recess in the school...

Would it be better if they go out of the school in the streets to smoke ? Better have them smoke in a given space outside (not too nice, and placated with anti-smoke prevention posters ofc.) (Provided they’re old enough to come and go freely, of course, meaning high school / college)

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an actual emergency? Sure. "Entitlement" is a strange way to frame it. Emergencies should be rare, the school can accommodate them when they occur.

"Disturbing all other kids" is strange way to frame phone call during lunch or break too. A bit dramatic since the supposedly disturbed kids were not disturbed from anything. And there is nothing wrong or disturbing about those even if the message is ordinary "go home alone cant come for you today" due to unexpected meeting or deadline. Or "go from school to grandma we will dinner there today" or "wait for me in scho…

Can those SMS be checked when just outside of school ? yes. Go back in school in the third case, I'm sure schools can let you get back inside.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #11

Good move. Should be extended to colleges and workspaces too where any sort of concentrated work/discipline is required. Nobody will die.

Consider this is a ban set by the government.

So? Who you expecting the move to come from Zuckerberg? He has already got you touching your phone 80 times a day on average and if you bend over and allow him you will be touching your phone 200 times a day. It's a great way to produce Trump's and nothing else.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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I think this is a mainly positive move. Mobile phones are massive distractions to children, especially in a school context. When it comes to young children, I am skeptic to the use of digital technology in education in general. School should help incorporate good habits into a child's routine, such as reading books, and nailing reliance on phones into children is not something we want to be doing in schools.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #6

The important thing in the article is that this ban concerns phone usage during breaks and lunch. Phones in classes were already forbidden long time ago.

I think that is a step too far. Imagine they banned books during breaks. That's how far this is. I get you want to not have them use them during class but that is the general policing class behavior that teachers are supposed to do. Why ban them during breaks when it doesn't hurt their studies?

Mobile phones get stolen and can take pictures/videos that can then be used for bullying others, it's quite different from a book. I don't have an opinion regarding this new law but those are the arguments I heard in the news.

It will still be allowed to use mobile phones for "emergencies" from what I read, i.e. a teacher is not here and a child wants to contact a parent regarding that.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #6

The important thing in the article is that this ban concerns phone usage during breaks and lunch. Phones in classes were already forbidden long time ago.

I think that is a step too far. Imagine they banned books during breaks. That's how far this is. I get you want to not have them use them during class but that is the general policing class behavior that teachers are supposed to do. Why ban them during breaks when it doesn't hurt their studies?

It may not hurt their studies, but perhaps their social skills. I recently stayed at a hostel, and when I first walked in I noticed how in the common area almost every single person was alone on their phone. It made me long for the pre-smartphone days in which I imagine travelers were forced to socialize with each other.

While school lunch is a slightly different situation, I think it still applies that without phones kids will be forced to communicate more directly with each other.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #22
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Disturbing all other kids" is strange way to frame phone call during lunch or break too. A bit dramatic since the supposedly disturbed kids were not disturbed from anything. And there is nothing wrong or disturbing about those even if the message is ordinary "go home alone cant come for you today" due to unexpected meeting or deadline. Or "go from school to grandma we will dinner there today" or "wait for me in scho…

Can those SMS be checked when just outside of school ? yes. Go back in school in the third case, I'm sure schools can let you get back inside.

Yes they can, if the kid remembers to check the phone which is usually unreliable. But even if kid is super reliable, so what? The original argument was "I like to call". Still does not make the call during lunch disturbing to other kids.

Going from work to school just so that you can ask them to let you inside, just so that you can tell the kid to wait for you after school instead of going home is ridiculous suggestion and disturbing for everyone including employer.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

#29
Sounds like pure common sense to me. Schools are implicitly responsible for the overall well-being of kids. Many schools ban smoking, sugary snacks/drinks, some dressing style (or non-dressing), makeup. Many parents would love to send their kids to schools without a phone, this will empower and support them.

Re: France to ban mobile phones in primary, junior and middle schools

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post #6

The important thing in the article is that this ban concerns phone usage during breaks and lunch. Phones in classes were already forbidden long time ago.

I think that is a step too far. Imagine they banned books during breaks. That's how far this is. I get you want to not have them use them during class but that is the general policing class behavior that teachers are supposed to do. Why ban them during breaks when it doesn't hurt their studies?

'why ban them during breaks...'

School isn't just about academic study, it's also where you make friends and learn how to interact with others.

I think mobile phones get in the way of this by enabling kids to just communicate within already established cliques?

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