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Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #89

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Ive heard that they put in christian imagery just because it was cool and with no real purpose.

There have been many comments from creators to this point. The christian imagery was primarily to give it an exotic feel; just like many SciFi shows in the US borrow heavily from eastern traditions. Here's probably the most often quoted interview answer on the subject, from Kazua Tsurumaki: > There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Bec…

It should be noted though that the creators have been historically unreliable about the interpretation of the show, and there is an undercurrent among the fandom that this answer may not be wholly truthful.

Yes the Christianity/Jewish mysticism is in part about exoticism, but the accuracy with which they have deployed some of its concepts and symbols also appears to go beyond mere "spicing up."

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #54

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That, plus attention to detail is just part of the Japanese culture. There's a higher density, very little wasted space, and a slightly smaller scale of the built environment there that always strikes me as having a "storybook" feel, for lack of better words. Manga and anime communicate it quite well visually. [edit] Not directly related but I find it encouraging that the number of houses and carports there with sola…

> That, plus attention to detail is just part of the Japanese culture. I am waging you have never seen powerpoint slides made in Japan.

lol, powerpoint guarantees ugliness. But have you seen the excel artwork? http://www.spoon-tamago.com/2013/05/28/tatsuo-horiuchi-excel...

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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Short Answer: Anno Until their depiction in Neon Genesis Evangelion in 1995, power lines were virtually non-existent in anime. After all, why draw them when they take up more time and effort during a time-packed production schedule? However, Hideaki Anno, the director of the aforementioned anime, began to implement them in backgrounds, bringing in a new kind of mechanical urban aesthetics. Anno has a certain kind of…

I can't believe you interviewed him. That is amazing!

The rest of this post isn't directed at you specifically, you probably know this and much more. Evangelion perhaps popularized this kind of shot, but there's an interesting broader history and context.

In general, this kind of shot is called an establishing shot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishing_shot

    [An establishing shot] establishes the context for a 
    scene by showing the relationship between its important 
    figures and objects.[1] It is generally a long or 
    extreme-long shot at the beginning of a scene indicating where, 
    and sometimes when, the remainder of the scene takes 
    place
Some directors like Yasujiro Ozu used a more enigmatic or abstract sort of establishing shot (or quasi-establishing shot) dubbed "pillow shots" by one film critic: https://dangerousminds.net/comments/yasujiro_ozu_and_the_eni...

    A "pillow shot" is a cutaway, for no obvious narrative reason, to 
    a visual element, often a landscape or an empty room, that is held 
    for a significant time (five or six seconds). It can be at the start 
    of a scene or during a scene. At a minimum, in Ozu’s work, these pillow 
    shots inject a sense of calm and serenity and contribute to the elegant 
    and stately pacing of his movies.
    
    The term “pillow shot” was coined [...] by the critic Noël Burch in his
    book To the Distant Observer: Form and Meaning in the Japanese Cinema: 
    “I call these images pillow-shots, proposing a loose analogy with the 
    ‘pillow-word’ of classical [Japanese] poetry.” 
At least several of Ozu's works feature power lines in these shots: http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/category/directors-ozu-yas...

This context is something I feel a lot of people miss when discussing those shots of power lines in Evangelion, perhaps ascribing to them more symbolic significance to them than Anno intended -- they are a stylistic hallmark of Evangelion, but aren't unique to Evangelion.

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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Not directly related, but this made me think of general role of power lines in art.

When they are drawn or painted, they are valuable: they obviously carry a message, someone took the time to draw them.

On a photograph, they are considered something to avoid, or an eye sore to erase. Perhaps because often photographers want to convey what they perceive, not what they see. I can say that about myself - I tune out all the utilities from a beautiful piece of architecture like banner ads from an interesting website. But when it comes to taking a photograph, they come back with full force, often leaving me hopeless.

I wonder if there exists a way for a photographer to embrace and love the "ugly" signs of civilization. Perhaps give them a compositional role?

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #52

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The Simpson has massively better animation than The regular tv anime in Japan. Most animes have very few animated frames and instead revolve on fixed backgrounds, scrolling, voice over and only lips moving now and then. Good animation is expensive to produce and most animes are made with very few resources and time. When a good one makes it, its nothing short of a miracle.

Let me introduce you to a concept called "pencil mileage". Simply put, for a budget of $x, your crew can draw $y miles of lines. How do you use these to fill out the huge number of images you need to produce? In the West, the solution has historically been to simplify your drawings as much as humanly possible so that you can have a lot of them; we tend to want to have everything constantly moving and changing. Our ch…

I couldn't quickly find a link/reference, but I remember reading a couple years ago that, when shown images/photographs, in the West we spend most of our time looking at the foreground objects, while in the East (might have been Chinese specifically who were tested?), they look at the background more than westerners (which is not to say that they look at the background more than the foreground)

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #26

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> Any place in Japan has basically power lines all over the place, even in cities For the record, there is an ongoing debate in Japanese urban centres on whether these lines should be placed underground for good. They are a function of the astonishingly rapid development Japan underwent in previous decades, when nobody really cared about details like the urban landscape because they had "more important things to worr…

> The counter-argument is that anything underground in Japan will suffer from continuous earthquake activity; Water and sewage is underground right? If they can figure out pipes underground they can figure out power lines underground.

They spend a lot of money dI going it up and repairing it too

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #46

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One thing I learned about anime (from discussing it with Japanese folks) is that "anime Westerners like" and "anime Japanese like" can be way different. Something may come out in Japan that has only niche appeal, only to blow up in the West. Azumanga Daioh -- Mother of a Thousand 4chan Memes -- comes to mind. Likewise, sometimes a title takes off in Japan only to find rocky soil here. I think Evangelion was well love…

If I recall correctly, Lain was fairly popular both in the West and Japan, largely for similar reasons, although it was less big in the West since at the time it came out anime had not really become A Thing yet. To your point, Cowboy Bebop can probably be considered to be one of the biggest causes for anime to gain so much traction in the US due to being on Adult Swim and having a killer feel and soundtrack, but its…

IIRC Cowboy Bebop was developed explicitly with western audiences in mind. It’s success informed later shows (in a similar way to how thr Chinese market is influencing Hollywood movies) so it really is a landmark show, even if it wasn’t as well received in Japan.

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

#108
post #85

Short Answer: Anno Until their depiction in Neon Genesis Evangelion in 1995, power lines were virtually non-existent in anime. After all, why draw them when they take up more time and effort during a time-packed production schedule? However, Hideaki Anno, the director of the aforementioned anime, began to implement them in backgrounds, bringing in a new kind of mechanical urban aesthetics. Anno has a certain kind of…

I can't believe I found it, or rather, that someone uploaded just it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II9GZrKztXQ When I heard power lines, for some reason one scene from Patlabor came to mind. It's the quintessential Tokyo city view from the window, and the quintessential view inside a window from the city. Outside there are power lines. You cannot avoid them. And looking in, you see the tatami flooring and dudes in…

Ashita No Joe (1970) is the earliest anime series I can think of that features power lines, at least in the opening episode as it sets the scene. I'm sure there are manga earlier than this that feature them too, but I'm not sure about anime.

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #55

Short Answer: Anno Until their depiction in Neon Genesis Evangelion in 1995, power lines were virtually non-existent in anime. After all, why draw them when they take up more time and effort during a time-packed production schedule? However, Hideaki Anno, the director of the aforementioned anime, began to implement them in backgrounds, bringing in a new kind of mechanical urban aesthetics. Anno has a certain kind of…

Which article(s) do you recommend for going into more detail on "Evangelion revolutionized anime"? I remember reading on how one of the people involved was surprised at its popularity despite all the "characters being messed up".

The best way to understand Evangelion's uniqueness is to become familiar with all the tropes in anime/manga. Then it becomes obvious how Evangelion turned them all on their heads in some of the darkest possible ways -- and became one of the biggest hits of all time in Japan; something truly "generational" like Star Wars.

Anime and manga had long excelled at high drama; the space operas and melodramas and such.

And the creators of anime and manga were certainly not lacking in self awareness; there were lots of parody and comedy in anime and manga over the years, much of the light parody focusing on other works in their own genres or the general tropes found in those works.

But Evangelion was arguably the first major work in which those worlds collided. It never breaks the fourth wall, but the subversion of anime's tropes and conventions is utterly central to its drama.

1. The protagonist is a teenage boy. No surprise there -- the protagonist of any show is usually representative of the target audience. But instead of a simple "boy becomes a man" narrative, he more or less descends into depression and PTSD. The act of piloting a robot in bloody combat against incomprehensible is not healthy for him (because it wouldn't be, for anybody) and he is simultaneously loathable and also incredibly sympathetic because god damn is he put through hell. He responds to these traumatic events in ways that we might - imagine if your abusive father abandoned you and then forced you to become a child soldier? How screwed up would you be? He's probably the first anime protagonist to say: "Wait, this isn't fun. This is seriously fucked up." (And going further down the rabbit-hole of self-awareness, Shinji is painfully aware of how messed up he is)

2. Giant robots. They are a staple of anime for a number of reasons, chiefly because they sell toys, and toy sales help to finance these shows. Evangelion give you "robots," alright, but they are utter nightmare fuel in ways both visual and psychological.

2a. A trope in anime is when the pilots of giant robots "feel" their robots' pain. Evangelion takes this to the darkest and most literal extreme possible, with damage to the robots resulting in physical and emotional damage to the pilots.

3. Weirdest. Love triangle. Ever? It would be spoilers to say more, but it makes Game of Thrones look wholesome by comparison. Romantic tension is a given in... just about anything... but maaaaaaan does Eva make it weird. Another expectation, subverted, darkly.

4. Misato is something of a surrogate mother to Shinji. That gets, uh, interesting.

That said, Evangelion is not good just because "it's dark." There are lighthearted moments, and happiness, and some characters grow and become better people. It never feels "dark for the sake of being dark" in the way that some series like Game of Thrones are, where you almost dread the happy moments since those happy moments because they are immediately followed by some sort of gruesome tragedy, as if the viewer themselves is being punished for daring to be happy.

Re: Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines?

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this even supposed to mean? That's exactly their point. The average-to-low-budget (as well as unpopular) anime still has power line shots all over because that's just what they do. On average, our establishing shots in our (Western) cartoons just aren't as detailed. Obviously popularity and quality are not hand in hand, and The Simpsons is one of, if not the most popular cartoon show of all time.

The Simpsons isn't a genre like anime so ... apples and oranges.

They're using it as a specific example of typical American-style animation. The argument is that it's representative of a genre.
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