Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holiday Parties • Hacker News Board

Re: Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holiday Parties

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Post by JabavuAdams » Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 3:25 AM UTC

ksk wrote: post #225

twobyfour wrote: post #131

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That's great for the (straight) men. But it's extremely uncomfortable for the female employees at the events, who are now not only spending the evening outnumbered by male colleagues at an alcohol-lubricated event, they're now spending the evening outnumbered by male colleagues who are ogling other women who are there explicitly as objects of sexual attraction (even if it's deflected into "engaging them in conversati…

> that's clearly the angle they're intended to appeal to, or there wouldn't be a requirement that they be young and attractive). Why? That's super judgemental of you. There is no "clear" angle that a young and attractive person is necessarily an object of sexual attraction, except in your own imagination.

It's not judgemental, just obvious if you have any insight into cis-males. I single them out only because I am one, and your comment comes off as hopelessly naive.

All attractive people are objects of sexual attraction. It's what you do with that that separates the creeps from everybody else.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holiday Parties

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Post by jerf » Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 3:03 PM UTC

ImSkeptical wrote: post #218

jerf wrote: post #212

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I am suggesting that that is not the problem anyone is having with this. Nothing more, nothing less. The rest of your inferences are entirely wrong, if indeed you even replied to the correct comment. Nobody is complaining about the fact that if the job is offered, there are women who will take it, or implying that those women (or men) are in the wrong. That is simply not the problem people have with this.

Instead of speaking vaguely, and pretending you speak on behalf of everyone, why don't you clearly state what problem you are having with this?

I am not stating I have a problem with this. I am stating that is not the problem everyone else is having with this.

This doesn't seem that complicated to me. I am not sure how I could possibly make what I am saying any clearer.

As a possible diagnosis of the problem you are having, if you believe my first sentence says or is equivalent to "I don't have a problem with this", you have a fairly common reading comprehension problem where you read what you expect to have read, rather than what was actually said, and the problem you are having with what I wrote is your difficulty in fitting such a short point into your framework of what you expect to have read. I suggest spending some more time learning how to read what is there, rather than what you think is there, as you are missing out on one of the primary benefits of reading. That's not the only possible problem you've having with understanding such short, simple sentences, but it is likely enough to be worth calling out.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holiday Parties

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Post by ksk » Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 7:11 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #231

ksk wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's clearly the angle they're intended to appeal to, or there wouldn't be a requirement that they be young and attractive). Why? That's super judgemental of you. There is no "clear" angle that a young and attractive person is necessarily an object of sexual attraction, except in your own imagination.

It's not judgemental, just obvious if you have any insight into cis-males. I single them out only because I am one, and your comment comes off as hopelessly naive. All attractive people are objects of sexual attraction. It's what you do with that that separates the creeps from everybody else.

>It's not judgemental, just obvious if you have any insight into cis-males.

So its _my_ fault for _not_ stereotyping? Amazing.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holiday Parties

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Post by lotsofcows » Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 12:26 PM UTC

Helmet wrote: post #89

subway wrote: post #86

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Say what now? Why would you think they're being paid a pretty penny? Odds are they're doing it to scrape by, and would much prefer having the evening to spend with their friends and family rather than having to put on a charade.

No one is forcing them to do it. Anyone would much prefer to have an evening with their friends or family. But if they need the money, then it's a job. And it's probably a better job than most jobs.

Ahhh, the American Dream! "No one is forcing them to do it."

There's a plethora of well paid jobs out there that they could be doing instead but, for reasons unknown, they prefer to be under-dressed roller skating companions.