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Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by andrepd »

BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

>Portugal has a communications regulatory authority (ANACOM), similar to the FCC, but that actually works

Oh, that's very debatable

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by croon »

BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

19 minute old account, assuring everyone that nothing bad is happening.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by ASalazarMX »

BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

Reading your comment feels like licensing software from Microsoft. I just pay a fixed monthly amount for unmetered data, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by shak77 »

zemnl wrote: post #41
shak77 wrote: post #17

These also exist in Spain and I love them. I hope they don't remove them.

You love them because you are not a startup that plans to compete with other services or a customer who wants to use apps outside of the selected ones for which you can use dedicated data. What if one day you'd like to use a new emerging service that is better than WhatsApp|Viber|Any-other-app-that-you-currently-use but that is not in a bundle for which your provider has plans that give extra dedicated data? Will you…

I wouldn't purchase a bundle if I'm not going to use the services that are included. That would be really stupid.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by ASalazarMX »

croon wrote: post #62
BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

19 minute old account, assuring everyone that nothing bad is happening.

It's already 22 minutes old by now, we can trust it.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by sigmar »

BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

>because the apps that I use more often are "free"

Can you imagine that these apps being zero-rated might make it less likely you'll try competing services (that aren't zero-rated)?

I understand that it seems like "free" data, but you are still paying for the service. The ISP is coaxing you into using specific services by limiting your use of everything else.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by john_scotland »

docdeek wrote: post #16
john_scotland wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Portugal have a minimum wage of 550 euros/month and an average wage of 850 euros/month or something like this. You can't compare absolute price.

Minimum wage is indeed about 550 euros a month (it’s 557 euros) but the average wage is more like 1130 euros monthly. https://www.expatica.com/pt/employment/minimum-wage-in-portu...

That's gross average wage and it's inflated by Lisbon region that have crazy rents. One-bedroom flat costs 600/500 euros, more if it's in city center.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by tinus_hn »

Pilfer wrote: post #50
tinus_hn wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason whatsoever why sending 10GB of data to one IP would be more expensive than sending it to another. So if they are offering 10GB for free if you connect to one service they’d be able to offer it for free for connecting to anyone. If they refuse that means there is no competition. It also means they are meddling in content so they are no longer common carriers and are responsible for what happens on t…

>There is no reason whatsoever why sending 10GB of data to one IP would be more expensive than sending it to another. This statement is false. It most certainly is more expensive to send packets to places like Australia than to Europe (Australia has 20x higher transit pricing). You could claim the cost is pennies either way however that doesn't address the fact that some packets are more expensive than others. https:…

The cost for transferring these 10 gigabytes to Australia is about $0.04, while a closer destination would be cheaper. So while technically you are right, realistically these costs don’t factor in the price.

Re: Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

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Post by mping »

andrepd wrote: post #61
BaRRaKID wrote: post #60

Portuguese guy here to clarify. These are just addons to your regular package, they allow you to customize your plan according to your needs. The regular packages have different tiers that go anywhere from 500Mb to 10Gb of data included, which is more or less the same amount of data that the other ISPs in the country provide. There are no unlimited mobile data packages in Portugal, in any ISP, except the special plan…

>Portugal has a communications regulatory authority (ANACOM), similar to the FCC, but that actually works Oh, that's very debatable

Very, very, very debatable. Example was the monopoly that former PT Telecom, now Meo/altice had for many years.
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