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Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by apk-d »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #27
apk-d wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to be salty when you're an unappreciated streamer and there's girls out there having an easier time with less effort. However, they're even not competing for the same audience. As to the second thing, it's a valid point, but there are solutions that don't resort to removing streams.

>However, they're even not competing for the same audience. I don't think that's exactly accurate. Presumably the major audience for both types of streamers is young boys/men.

You have broadened the category widely enough to include both audiences. Given that guys typically watch gaming streams and undressed females for different reasons, I think there's finer distinctions in terms of which the audiences don't overlap.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by zaroth »

ben_jones wrote: post #28
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

Devil's advocate: a small portion of streamers use their sexuality to solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. Sure you can't police it, but it kind of underpins the site when every popular game has multiple people using this strategy for personal profit. It's highly visible, everybody knows about it. Shouldn't it at least be talked about?

> solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations.

This makes no sense. Either Dad should take back the credit card or adults can make their own decisions. Either way, I can’t see how that would have anything to do with the person streaming the video asking for cash!

I mean, argue that cute girls have it easy getting cash for titilating their viewers. Argue that Twitch isn’t for tits. But arguing that boobs made someone spend money they couldn’t afford is just debasing to men everywhere.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by ryandrake »

noobermin wrote: post #6
apk-d wrote: post #4

Oh come on, why can't we just have fun? The site already has a "no nudity allowed" policy and a per-stream "mature audiences only" warning screen.

I think the idea is people who don't have the same sex appeal feel they are finding it hard to compete. Also, they feel it is "changing" the feel of the site. Not saying I agree, that's what it sounds like to me.

Wasn't there a thread on here a while back about a lady who was doing tech/nerdy 3D printing and maker videos, taking tons of criticism simply because she happened to be good looking while doing them? This seems like an oddly similar mind-set: You can't do game videos because you're sexy. What??

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by vultour »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

You mean how they hand out 24 hour bans to women for "accidentaly" showing genitals, meanwhile other streamers are getting permanently banned left and right for much smaller infractions?

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by NathanKP »

ht85 wrote: post #29
NathanKP wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't really understand who is complaining. You have to go pretty out of your way to find these "sexual streamers" and they have pretty low viewer count to be honest. If you stick to browsing Twitch by game you almost never see them, and the top game streams have 10k-20k viewers at all times. You have to specifically go to the IRL section of Twitch to find camgirl style streams, and most of these "sexual strea…

> If you stick to browsing Twitch by game you almost never see them I don't have a strong opinion of what should or shouldn't be allowed, but that statement is false. For example, if you browse League of Legends in the evening, very often a couple of the top 24 thumbnails are girl streamers in sexy outfits who are not really focused on playing, and do provocative things when people sub / donate.

Sure it's not that sex appeal focused streamers are never in the game categories but it is much rarer than it used to be. The IRL category has helped by moving the majority of all these streamers to one place where you can go watch them if that's your thing.

All that is needed is for Twitch mods to be a bit more active in retagging such streams to IRL instead of the game category. In general I think that they are doing a great job. You used to see a lot more League of Legends streams where a female host dressed in a revealing outfit had her cam much larger than the gameplay and it was clearly more focused on sex appeal than gameplay, but that type of stream is now mostly cordoned off in IRL.

A simple rule like "streamer camera can only take up X% of the screen, and gameplay must take up at least Y% of the screen" otherwise it gets retagged as an IRL stream solves the issue.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by tree_of_item »

ryandrake wrote: post #43
noobermin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is people who don't have the same sex appeal feel they are finding it hard to compete. Also, they feel it is "changing" the feel of the site. Not saying I agree, that's what it sounds like to me.

Wasn't there a thread on here a while back about a lady who was doing tech/nerdy 3D printing and maker videos, taking tons of criticism simply because she happened to be good looking while doing them? This seems like an oddly similar mind-set: You can't do game videos because you're sexy. What??

No, not because she "happened to be good looking", because she does many videos half naked. You cannot even link to her Twitter or Youtube without a [NSFW] tag. Why do you feel the need to use such a disingenuous framing?

The Twitch streamers in question are also creating what amounts to softcore pornography. They aren't making game videos, they are just using Twitch as an alternative to other adult camsites. That's the whole problem.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by unobtaniumstool »

wisty wrote: post #40
ben_w wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I sexually identify as a CAS aircraft, will they ban DCS A-10 Simulator as sexual content? I don’t know if this is a joke, but that is a thing that happens. Given how long I was blind to my own (relatively straightforward) bisexuality, I think the real answer is that people in charge literally cannot conceive of sexuality that far away from their worldview.

For a less silly and inflammatory example, how about feet? Because there certainly are foot fetishists out there.

That's a pretty classic example really. I know Flickr had some awkward interactions with a foot fetishist community that took up residence there, because they didn't reeeally post anything that violated the terms of service, they were just kind of creepy about it.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by lotyrin »

zaroth wrote: post #42
ben_jones wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil's advocate: a small portion of streamers use their sexuality to solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. Sure you can't police it, but it kind of underpins the site when every popular game has multiple people using this strategy for personal profit. It's highly visible, everybody knows about it. Shouldn't it at least be talked about?

> solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. This makes no sense. Either Dad should take back the credit card or adults can make their own decisions. Either way, I can’t see how that would have anything to do with the person streaming the video asking for cash! I mean, argue that cute girls have it easy getting cash for titilating their viewers. Argue that Twitch isn’t for tits. But ar…

People don't exist in such clean categories, there is a spectrum on which everyone lies w.r.t. their abilities of self awareness and self control and their knowledge of their present and future situations, and therefore their ability to act within their own best interests. Communities which seek to maximize future outcomes for their members necessarily seek to aid them by limiting harmful actions.

Where the lines are drawn, how the limits are enacted, and whether or not something is harmful is of course a matter of opinion.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by noobermin »

Akujin wrote: post #17
noobermin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is people who don't have the same sex appeal feel they are finding it hard to compete. Also, they feel it is "changing" the feel of the site. Not saying I agree, that's what it sounds like to me.

This was part of Twitch from the very beginning. The idea that it's "new" is really just ignorant people finding out after the fact and then complaining about it as if it wasn't always there.

I don't think it's a "there exists" argument, it's more that a significant fraction is now devoted to it.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

apk-d wrote: post #41
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>However, they're even not competing for the same audience. I don't think that's exactly accurate. Presumably the major audience for both types of streamers is young boys/men.

You have broadened the category widely enough to include both audiences. Given that guys typically watch gaming streams and undressed females for different reasons, I think there's finer distinctions in terms of which the audiences don't overlap.

Like what? What viewer distinction is there?
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