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Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by empath75 »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #110
drinchev wrote: post #4

The Patreon page says they receive $177 per month. That's too low for a project with such a high popularity and usage. I read somewhere ( and I bet ) it's used by Google / Facebook / Apple employees.

Also, interestingly, there are large companies that we know use our software heavily internally who flat out lie about using Homebrew in any form when we've asked for help with resources. It's a sad state of affairs that smaller companies and individuals are far more generous when it comes to supporting us.

"Self-hosted homebrew" would probably be the magic word that unlocks the enterprise dollars.

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by eridius »

> Homebrew requires the CLT on all but the latest version of macOS (to avoid copious workarounds in formulae)

Why? What are these workarounds? The linked PR didn't explain, and as someone who's still got one machine on 10.12 I'd really rather not have to keep CLT installed as well.

Edit: Wow, the maintainer on that PR is a real jerk. He refused to answer a legitimate question (and locked the PR at the same time) because he thought the original (since edited) complaint of "The error message for this patch is terrible" was "rude".

MikeMcQuaid, if you ever read this, this sort of behavior on your part is a great argument for ditching HomeBrew.

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by orbitur »

danra wrote: post #78

The first-time installation on Mac OS X 10.5 has been improved This is just pleasant to see. Some people like/are stuck using older OSes. Which Apple itself conveniently ignores (inconveniently for its developers), e.g., Xcode hacks and looking for 3rd party copies of old SDKs to be able to keep compiling for older OSes. :(

While it's definitely bad that Apple stopped supporting PowerPC Macs just 3 years after they sold the last machines, expecting any support at all 10 years later is ridiculous.

What ties people to PowerPC these days? Surely the speed and power consumption of the latest Intel machines is 100x better?

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by stormking »

drinchev wrote: post #4

The Patreon page says they receive $177 per month. That's too low for a project with such a high popularity and usage. I read somewhere ( and I bet ) it's used by Google / Facebook / Apple employees.

Now 178.

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

#125

Post by ryandrake »

softawre wrote: post #107
ryandrake wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno--to me that rant hints at a potential inability to take rejection well. No matter what company you're talking about, getting hired has a luck-based component, so you shouldn't take rejection personally. I've probably been turned down for 99% of the jobs I've applied for in my career. If I opened Twitter to rage every time someone told me "no" I'd sound like a lunatic. In my view, the correct response to being…

You have applied for 99 jobs for every 1 that you've accepted? I think that is rare.

Throughout my 20 year career? Of course! Probably more than 99:1. I’ve applied to many hundreds of jobs through the years.

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by curun1r »

ubernostrum wrote: post #24
philip1209 wrote: post #19

The maintainer's tweet about interviewing at Google is one of my favorites: https://mobile.twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768?la...

One of my less-favorite things is how many people always pop up to defend the Google approach and argue that if he couldn't pass such an interview he must by definition not be qualified.

No, but just because he created homebrew doesn't mean he's qualified either. Homebrew is one of the least reliable pieces of software I've ever used. It's popularity puzzles me and I've stopped letting it get near any machine I use. It's baffling and annoying to me that people view it as some default packaging solution for Mac, especially when the platform already has pkgutil/pkgbuild. I really wish something like Rudix [0] had taken off instead of homebrew since it's far superior.

Popularity doesn't mean quality and the entitlement of that tweet would be a red flag to me as an interviewer.

[0] http://rudix.org/

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by AsyncAwait »

Crontab wrote: post #119
drinchev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really sad. I always thought there are lots of companies, acting like WhatsApp ( $1,000,000 donation to FreeBSD [1] ) and return back value to open source, the same way they got value out of it. I'm really surprised that instead of "lots" I have to write "some". I also think that it's a much bigger win, financially and for P.R., to donate some of the profits, instead of paying the taxes in selected tax-paradise…

I totally agree with you but at the same time - we can't tell people something is free and then get upset when they treat it as such.

We shouldn't tell them it is free, but rather that they can have higher confidence in it as they can examine or change it.

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by fnl »

Crontab wrote: post #119
drinchev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really sad. I always thought there are lots of companies, acting like WhatsApp ( $1,000,000 donation to FreeBSD [1] ) and return back value to open source, the same way they got value out of it. I'm really surprised that instead of "lots" I have to write "some". I also think that it's a much bigger win, financially and for P.R., to donate some of the profits, instead of paying the taxes in selected tax-paradise…

I totally agree with you but at the same time - we can't tell people something is free and then get upset when they treat it as such.

Which then gets us to the topic of GPL vs MIT & friends.... :-)

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by TY »

To the conversation of making it easier for enterprises to support open source projects.

Would it make sense to create a legal entity whose only goal would be to "sell" enterprise subscriptions to open source products and then channel all the funds to those projects, after taking a reasonable cut for administrative expenses - such as invoicing, collection, production of physical media when required and etc?

That would make support of open source projects fit much easier into standard enterprise procurement process.

Each project would define different levels of subscription with different price tags. Token licenses would be generated and physical media created and mailed out.

Pretty sure something like this was already discussed on HN?

Re: Homebrew 1.4.0

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Post by danra »

orbitur wrote: post #123
danra wrote: post #78

The first-time installation on Mac OS X 10.5 has been improved This is just pleasant to see. Some people like/are stuck using older OSes. Which Apple itself conveniently ignores (inconveniently for its developers), e.g., Xcode hacks and looking for 3rd party copies of old SDKs to be able to keep compiling for older OSes. :(

While it's definitely bad that Apple stopped supporting PowerPC Macs just 3 years after they sold the last machines, expecting any support at all 10 years later is ridiculous. What ties people to PowerPC these days? Surely the speed and power consumption of the latest Intel machines is 100x better?

10.6 is still used by a lot of people on Intel processors, and compiling for it on a modern platform involves the hacks I mentioned.
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