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OK, so how do I buy a 3-day working week with my extra salary?
You can. Yes. Go to your boss. Ask to be paid 60% of your current salary to work M-W. I'm sure you'll get a yes.
I'm sure he'll laugh in my face.
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Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#62So. Much. B.S. There is only one thing that people who have not been dropped on a head interested in. It is called money . Money buys them stuff. Money lets them have a nice roof over their head. Money lets their family not worry about a slum in the economy. Everything else is secondary. Here's a magic formula: MaxMoney(Min(work)) 402 "PAY_ME_MORE_MONEY" P.S. That's why it is called a job and not hobby or volunteerin…
What is the dollar value for which you are willing to sell the prime of your life? If someone offered you $500,000 over the course of three years to give up your mid- or late-twenties, would you take it?
Hell yes. Most people give up the primes of their lives slaving for far less lucre.
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#63So. Much. B.S. There is only one thing that people who have not been dropped on a head interested in. It is called money . Money buys them stuff. Money lets them have a nice roof over their head. Money lets their family not worry about a slum in the economy. Everything else is secondary. Here's a magic formula: MaxMoney(Min(work)) 402 "PAY_ME_MORE_MONEY" P.S. That's why it is called a job and not hobby or volunteerin…
What is the dollar value for which you are willing to sell the prime of your life? If someone offered you $500,000 over the course of three years to give up your mid- or late-twenties, would you take it?
Considering I gave up three years of my mid twenties for about $150k (total) for two different startups, yeah probably.
...yeah, I'm still a bit bitter about the compensation. Not necessarily the experience, though.
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#64> There is one motivation that should raise a red flag, though. > “The candidates that I don't usually want to spend much time > on are folks who are basically just looking for the next big check. This is a red flag to me. What if engineers want to buy houses or support families? What if they have elite backgrounds and want a similarly high level of living as their friends? Offering bread-and-circuses and work-as-lif…
Not to mention, if every company out there is claiming to be changing the world, it's just delusion. Boring enterprise software is boring enterprise software - and that's OK.
It has been an interesting cultural difference moving jobs from a "change the world" software company to a "boring enterprise" software company.
Part of the reason that I left my old job was that we were a "startup", and my boss wanted the whole team to "believe in the product", he really did drink that kool aid that we were helping the world. In reality we were helping minimise costs for business owners, we even had some email us and thank us because they managed to reduce their staffing numbers due to increased efficiency.
At my current company, we make some relatively boring enterprise software (minimum price $2500 per month sort of level). I don't think that anyone really "believes" in the software, in the sense that we don't think we're saving the world. We make software that helps specific businesses do a specific task. I couldn't explain to the average person what the software we make even does without boring them to sleep.
I'm actually much happier here at my new "boring" job. The code I write and the problems I solve are actually more interesting than my old job. That's not to mention that the money is much better, and I don't have to sit shoulder-to-shoulder on some shitty hot desk in a coworking space (I like coworking, but not hot desks).
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money is important, but I'm going to stop you right there. #1 is solved by more money. Want me to work in a team that mocks my work? $100k extra will do it #2 is solved by more money. Want me to work with dirtbags? $100k #3 is solved by more money. Want me to wear a "super junior nobody" title? As long as you're up front about it, $100k. #4 is solved by money. My overtime rate is 2x normal rate You know why? Money bu…
I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but nobody is going to offer me a job and say "It sucks to work here, the people suck, the conditions are stressful, and the hours are long. In fact - if you join us, I'm going to hire someone whose sole job will be to kick you in the marbles every morning when you walk in the building. You say you earn $X at your current job in which you are content? How does $X*5 sound?" I…
My impression is that a lot of coding jobs in finance are like that - the offices are ugly, the business people more chaotic and sociopath than in other industries, the working conditions poor (terrible tools, security tying your hands etc.), the mission uninspiring - but they pay top market rates to compensate for that.
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#66> There is one motivation that should raise a red flag, though. > “The candidates that I don't usually want to spend much time > on are folks who are basically just looking for the next big check. This is a red flag to me. What if engineers want to buy houses or support families? What if they have elite backgrounds and want a similarly high level of living as their friends? Offering bread-and-circuses and work-as-lif…
This is a good summary of the Republican Manifesto. People in power convince powerless people that they shouldn't desire power. This allows the people in power to consolidate more power.
Republican Manifesto, or Sociopath's Manifesto?
Same same, I guess.
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#67So. Much. B.S. There is only one thing that people who have not been dropped on a head interested in. It is called money . Money buys them stuff. Money lets them have a nice roof over their head. Money lets their family not worry about a slum in the economy. Everything else is secondary. Here's a magic formula: MaxMoney(Min(work)) 402 "PAY_ME_MORE_MONEY" P.S. That's why it is called a job and not hobby or volunteerin…
Money is important, but past a certain point (when you are able to live comfortably and are no longer feeling stressed about your personal/family finances), other factors come into play. Off the top of my head: 1) Respect. By that I mean professional respect - I want to feel that my contributions are valued and that people recognize my talents :) 2) Team. Working with dirtbags is miserable no matter how much you get…
Let me be a Certified Finance Asshat to demonstrate that you are externalizing money:
I will give you $35k/year for 40 hours a week total compensation and you get all the other 4.
Why aren't you taking this job? The reason is because you know that it is a laughable salary.
FRC has an agenda. Its agenda is convince naive people to go work for their startups ( and other startups ) for Magic and Unicorns, rather than $$.
P.S. Thanks for downvotes!
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#68There’s two forms of money: cash now and Magic future money (stock options)
B-but what about Making The World Better™ ?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money is important, but I'm going to stop you right there. #1 is solved by more money. Want me to work in a team that mocks my work? $100k extra will do it #2 is solved by more money. Want me to work with dirtbags? $100k #3 is solved by more money. Want me to wear a "super junior nobody" title? As long as you're up front about it, $100k. #4 is solved by money. My overtime rate is 2x normal rate You know why? Money bu…
I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but nobody is going to offer me a job and say "It sucks to work here, the people suck, the conditions are stressful, and the hours are long. In fact - if you join us, I'm going to hire someone whose sole job will be to kick you in the marbles every morning when you walk in the building. You say you earn $X at your current job in which you are content? How does $X*5 sound?" I…
> You say you earn $X at your current job in which you are content? How does $X5 sound?"
Sign me up.
See, had an uncomfortable conversation with a wife of fourteen years who went through hell and back and managed to claw from the bottom to a relatively stable plateau*: she's freaking out because we don't have much savings (read: not 7 figures in liquid cash). Probably for no reason considering most of people that she knows won't be able to pull out ten thousand from a bank account. But this is life and her not carrying about finances carries more weight that I would have to color code a spreadsheet.
Re: Make Stronger Offers to Engineering Candidates and Boost Your Closes
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money is important, but past a certain point (when you are able to live comfortably and are no longer feeling stressed about your personal/family finances), other factors come into play. Off the top of my head: 1) Respect. By that I mean professional respect - I want to feel that my contributions are valued and that people recognize my talents :) 2) Team. Working with dirtbags is miserable no matter how much you get…
Money is important, but I'm going to stop you right there. #1 is solved by more money. Want me to work in a team that mocks my work? $100k extra will do it #2 is solved by more money. Want me to work with dirtbags? $100k #3 is solved by more money. Want me to wear a "super junior nobody" title? As long as you're up front about it, $100k. #4 is solved by money. My overtime rate is 2x normal rate You know why? Money bu…
Thinking as an employer, though, is it worth an extra $100k to be able to mock you? Hell no. Politeness is free.
Is it worth an extra $100k to be able to employ dirtbags alongside you? Maybe for some jobs that involve ethically dubious actions, but probably not for most.
Is it worth an extra $100k to be able to give you a super junior title? No, titles are free.
Is it worth 2x your normal rate to get you to work overtime? Maybe, but that's pretty expensive. They would be better off if they could get another person to do it at a normal rate.
So, you might be willing to put up with those things for more money, but for the employer it is usually a waste of money pay that. It doesn't make sense for an employer to pay extra for those things unless they are really getting a lot of value out of it.