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Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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It is a red flag to not have social media

It is? I have no social media accounts at all and never have. I thought the very idea of facebook was creepy when it launched and I've not changed my mind since. Who will I be flagged by?

You have at least one social media account, https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=satori99

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

My reason to use Facebook is to communicate with local businesses. They are not responsive on emails and calling them seem to much a hassle. I use it for purely 'commercial' purpose and not remotely close of gaining information about what's going on on the world. One other reason for me just 'having' it oppose to using it, it I just moved into a new city. It's, I think, a good way to have them added on the platform t…

I would check out this app called “the telephone”. They say it was invented in 1876 and that local businesses answer them. When I use the app, I receive near instant feedback. There is even full-duplex voice recognition.

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I personally use it quite a bit for keeping these relationships alive. I think Facebook is a great tool for that. I have contentious debates over ideas with people I know, but more importantly, with people a couple links away from me. It's been an extremely helpful bridge out of the filter bubble I'd probably otherwise inhabit. Of course, I'm not at all sure the benefits I've gotten have any resemblance to most peopl…

I don't know if it's my age/class/nationality/background or what, but there is no way in hell I would participate in any serious discussion on a platform like facebook, both because they're using that data, and because it's notionally attached to my identity. Indeed, the main reason to have an account there now is to avoid the "you don't have a facebook account" judgement. The thought people would put themselves out…

Yep, I am incredibly privileged to be able to do so. But I also know that some of the people I interact with wouldn't otherwise have much exposure to a non-strawman version of my point of view that they can actually interact with. At the moment, I think it's probably the most politically effective thing I can do.

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I don't know if it's my age/class/nationality/background or what, but there is no way in hell I would participate in any serious discussion on a platform like facebook, both because they're using that data, and because it's notionally attached to my identity. Indeed, the main reason to have an account there now is to avoid the "you don't have a facebook account" judgement. The thought people would put themselves out…

Completely agree. Associating my actual views with my real identity makes me uncomfortable as well - not so much concerned about what Facebook would do with that data, more concerned with the fact that it will cause people I know or have a strong chance of meeting to dislike/hate me for a reason that I'd rather not give them. Also, having a "debate" over FB sounds only moderately more pleasant than having a debate in…

I don't do it because it's pleasant. In fact, it's often really stressful. I do it because I think it's crucial, in the same sense that I think any sort of political or social engagement is crucial.

As far as the risk of people hating me, I try really hard to always be respectful of people I debate with. I think for that reason, I've been able to keep friendships with people I regularly have some pretty intense disagreements with.

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My reason to use Facebook is to communicate with local businesses. They are not responsive on emails and calling them seem to much a hassle. I use it for purely 'commercial' purpose and not remotely close of gaining information about what's going on on the world. One other reason for me just 'having' it oppose to using it, it I just moved into a new city. It's, I think, a good way to have them added on the platform t…

I would check out this app called “the telephone”. They say it was invented in 1876 and that local businesses answer them. When I use the app, I receive near instant feedback. There is even full-duplex voice recognition.

I didn't articulate my post correctly. Local businesses, always call. Social events, I always contact via online media. Usually, Facebook.

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It is? I have no social media accounts at all and never have. I thought the very idea of facebook was creepy when it launched and I've not changed my mind since. Who will I be flagged by?

You have at least one social media account, https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=satori99

Yeah, but my name is not satori99 and HN doesn't care :)

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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It is? I have no social media accounts at all and never have. I thought the very idea of facebook was creepy when it launched and I've not changed my mind since. Who will I be flagged by?

It's just been my experience. I'm probably wrong. 9 of 10 people my age have it [1]. Facebook provides a public log of years of your posts. A quick way to get to know someone. To figure out if you should trust them. It's far from perfect but neither are social security numbers. Services like Airbnb's use your account to verify you aren't a spammer. I have heard of landlords and employers asking for it as well. If you…

the problem of course is that if everyone perceives it as a platform by which their character will be judged they self censure the content they post.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

I think lots of HN readers here are missing perspectives from Facebook users in 'third' world countries, where there aren't a lots of alternatives for information sharing and discovery.

As someone who grew up in one of those countries, I found Facebook incredibly useful to find alumni of my high school in US universities and ask them questions on how they got here (LinkedIn was not a thing then). There weren't, and still aren't, any alumni network or guidance counselor. I didn't even know where to begin (say to Google things).

This is, of course, just one use case but the point is that Facebook does provide value to some people. Back home, for many people of generation before the internet, it is the only way they stay in touch with their several kins on other countries. We can debate about what 'value' / 'meaning' it adds to their lives. But that is a separate conversation.

And yes, there are concerns about privacy. But that is the tradeoff you make in life.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

Same but when I needed to work on an app for work, I had to create a profile and eventually got blocked until I uploaded my drivers license. Still, my account is blocked. Mark is truly an asshole

I tried to make account named "Chip Ahouy" for this same purpose, but the sign up form told me it wasnt a real name. It was brutal.
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